Now this I really am surprised by; Empire Maker to Japan

[Indian Charlie]

Seeing as they don't have anymore Toussaud offspring coming down the pipe...

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...nese-interests

[blackthroatedwind]

I guess when Pioneer of the Nile is your best offspring it's time to take the money and run.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I guess when Pioneer of the Nile is your best offspring it's time to take the money and run.

Those multiple Grade 1 winners all suck.

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Those multiple Grade 1 winners all suck.

You can't really begin to think that when a sire's best offspring is highlighted by Pioneerof the Nile, Mushka, Acoma, Country Star, Icon Project, Battle Plan, and Acting Happy, that constiutes a successful stud career can you?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

You can't really begin to think that when a sire's best offspring is highlighted by Pioneerof the Nile, Mushka, Acoma, Country Star, Icon Project, Battle Plan, and Acting Happy, that constiutes a successful stud career can you?

I few things to consider about Empire Maker before you toss him under the bus as a failure. His first 3 books were jam packed with high end turf mares. I really dont think he saw the type of terriffic dirt stock that you would have thought.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I few things to consider about Empire Maker before you toss him under the bus as a failure. His first 3 books were jam packed with high end turf mares. I really dont think he saw the type of terriffic dirt stock that you would have thought.

You made this up, right?

Anyone casually glancing at Empire Maker's progeny will see that he saw more than his fair share of "dirt stock". Flanders, Aurora, Queenie Belle, I Ain't Bluffing, Top Rung, Dokki, Sleep Easy, Bella Chiarra, TV Countess, Rings A Chime, Adoration, Lotta Kim, Away, Fitted Crown, Tarlow, Inside Information, Latour, Spoken Fur, In The Gold, Apple Of Kent, You, Cappucino Bay, Listen Well, Serra Lake, Lazy Slusan, La Reina, Faras Team, Dreams Gallore, Versailles Treaty, Hot Novel, Flute, Sightseek, Keeper Hill, Critical Crew, Her She Kisses, Classy Mirage.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

You can't really begin to think that when a sire's best offspring is highlighted by Pioneerof the Nile, Mushka, Acoma, Country Star, Icon Project, Battle Plan, and Acting Happy, that constiutes a successful stud career can you?

These are from his first 3 crops to race up to 3 years of age. If he's not getting something like 150 foals a year, this is a decent performance, not spectacular, not superduper, but decent. He's gotten G1 winners, classic-type runners, high level performers. By now they have sorted out what kinds of mares work best with him and better is likely on the way. It's not like he's had nothing more than a G3 winner or two, like some classic winners one could name (Forward Pass, Bee Bee Bee, Commendable, Gato del Sol, et. al.).

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I guess when Pioneer of the Nile is your best offspring it's time to take the money and run.

Empire Maker has been ok. And POTN, if you were right all along about him being a turf horse, who knows what he could have done down the road.

[Seattleallstar]

Don't know why they shipped him off to Japan, I can only imagine alot of money was invovled and maybe to give Empire Maker a chance in Japan. He did stand at 50k a pop. He also had Battle Plan this year who looked to be a HOY candidate until he got hurt.

Keep an eye out on Evasion who is out of Inside Information

[Betsy]

EM was an ok/good sire, but nothing close to what he was expected...............that said, he was good enough not to be sent to Japan. Pretty shocking.

[Clip-Clop]

Nice horse, wish him luck.