5 GOP break with party on jobs bill, vote w/Dems

Riot · #1 02-22-2010, 09:56 PM

Wow - finally, the Senate may get something done? One of the 5 GOP who voted with the Dems was newly-elected Mass Senator Scott Brown.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/23/us...cs/23jobs.html

Patrick333 · #2 02-23-2010, 07:48 AM

I certainly don't have any problem with people voting for bills that they believe in. Be they Republicans or Democrats they should vote for what they think is right. For the most part they weren't elected to vote a straight party line.

Antitrust32 · #3 02-23-2010, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrick333

I certainly don't have any problem with people voting for bills that they believe in. Be they Republicans or Democrats they should vote for what they think is right. For the most part they weren't elected to vote a straight party line.

Rileyoriley · #4 02-23-2010, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrick333

I certainly don't have any problem with people voting for bills that they believe in. Be they Republicans or Democrats they should vote for what they think is right. For the most part they weren't elected to vote a straight party line.

Correct. Brown was elected by the independents.

Danzig · #5 02-23-2010, 11:26 AM

i think they should get rid of the parties. george washington warned about the 'party first' mentality, and what havoc it could wreak. and he's right on about it.

there should be far more voting across party lines then there is-i've always thought that.

but then again, arguing that obama should get everything he wants because he got over 50% of the vote is absolute hogwash. people voted for him because they thought he was the better candidate, not because they agreed with him 100% on all issues.

timmgirvan · #6 02-23-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i think they should get rid of the parties. george washington warned about the 'party first' mentality, and what havoc it could wreak. and he's right on about it.

there should be far more voting across party lines then there is-i've always thought that.

but then again, arguing that obama should get everything he wants because he got over 50% of the vote is absolute hogwash. people voted for him because they thought he was the better candidate, not because they agreed with him 100% on all issues.

That should clear a few things up!

AeWingnut · #7 02-23-2010, 12:00 PM

no we just need to get the dems to vote with their constituents instead of with their party

Riot · #8 02-23-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick333

I certainly don't have any problem with people voting for bills that they believe in. Be they Republicans or Democrats they should vote for what they think is right. For the most part they weren't elected to vote a straight party line.

I agree with your post. That's the way it used to work - plenty of room in the middle for people from both parties to find common ground dependent upon the issue.

But unfortunately in the past year, the GOP not only has a straight party line, it's extremely narrow. Never has one so clear a minority party consistently voted as an immovable block in the US Senate. It's better in the House. But the Senate has completely blocked nearly all House bills, due simply to adherence to voting not to vote on anything!

Danzig · #9 02-23-2010, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

I agree with your post. That's the way it used to work - plenty of room in the middle for people from both parties to find common ground dependent upon the issue.

But unfortunately in the past year, the GOP not only has a straight party line, it's extremely narrow. Never has one so clear a minority party consistently voted as an immovable block in the US Senate. It's better in the House. But the Senate has completely blocked nearly all House bills, due simply to adherence to voting not to vote on anything!

bull

why do you continue to treat this as a new behavior? it's the same old, same old that's been going on for years. are you that determined to paint this as a new thing, solely due to who the current president is?

randallscott35 · #10 02-23-2010, 03:48 PM

Independents will rise to the top.

Riot · #11 02-23-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

bull

why do you continue to treat this as a new behavior? it's the same old, same old that's been going on for years. are you that determined to paint this as a new thing, solely due to who the current president is?

I'm not painting it as "new" behaviour, I'm saying it's the worse ever.

You say that's bull? Nonsense. It's not bull, look at the numbers for cloture votes - this last session has been the worse, ever. There's no disputing that.

Edit: And here's those numbers for you, in a graph: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...the-senate.php