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Old 05-24-2009, 04:36 PM
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Default Steve Haskin's latest: 'Leave Crown Alone'

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Here here! Great job as usual, Mr. Haskin. I liked how it wasn't just about addressing Lukas but the rumblings we hear every year there isn't a winner. I hope next time he's on At the Races, we'll get to hear a hearty discussion--not that we don't always, just on this topic I mean.
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Old 05-24-2009, 05:34 PM
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Essentially I agree . The distances are right for the races .
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Old 05-24-2009, 07:43 PM
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Way to go Steve!
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Old 05-24-2009, 08:22 PM
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The BCC is the thing that needs to change, in my estimation.

Should be 12-furlongs instead of ten


Absurd that we have three-year-olds lugging 126 for 12f in early June while older dirt runners are never asked to compete at such a distance ... and rarely carry that much weight.
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Old 05-24-2009, 10:06 PM
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Quarter horse Wayne is hardly the sort of person I would take advice from about classic-distance racing. He is part of the problem; it was during his time at the top of the training stats that we saw the furlongs shaved from many major races - the Woodward, the Meadowlands Cup, the Monmouth H (whatever they are calling it these days), the Super Derby, the Swaps S, the Strub S - all once 10f stakes races that have been emasculated down to distances that a miler can handle. Why were they shortened? One reason was that 'people' complained and didn't enter their horses; was one of the 'people' named D. Wayne? I wonder.
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Old 05-24-2009, 10:55 PM
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I agree with Lukas 100% here and have felt that way for years.
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Old 05-24-2009, 11:48 PM
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Quarter horse Wayne is hardly the sort of person I would take advice from about classic-distance racing.
Didn't he win 7 of 8 Triple Crown races between '94-'96 with 5 different horses?

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He is part of the problem; it was during his time at the top of the training stats that we saw the furlongs shaved from many major races - the Woodward, the Meadowlands Cup, the Monmouth H (whatever they are calling it these days), the Super Derby, the Swaps S, the Strub S - all once 10f stakes races that have been emasculated down to distances that a miler can handle. Why were they shortened? One reason was that 'people' complained and didn't enter their horses; was one of the 'people' named D. Wayne? I wonder.
Just for the scorekeepers out there:

Lukas won the Strub the last time it was run at 10f, with Victory Speech.

Victory Speech also won the Swaps Stakes, giving Lukas back-to-back winners of that race after Thunder Gulch won the year before. Cat Thief also won it for him, while Grand Slam, Prince Of Thieves, and Corporate Report all placed 2nd.

In the last 28 runnings there have only been 2 renewals of the Woodward run at 10f.

The last 2 times the Meadowlands Cup was run at 10f, Lukas had Slew City Slew in the race. He placed both times. He also won it with Twilight Agenda.

The Iselin hasn't been run at 10f for over 30 years. Lukas has sent Lady's Secret, Gulch, Serena's Song, and Farma Way to the post for that race.

In 2 of the last 3 runnings of the Super Derby at the distance of 10f, Lukas trained the runner-up (AP Arrow, Commendable). He also won it with Editor's Note when it was run at 10f.
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Old 05-25-2009, 07:22 AM
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I would change one thing. I would make the Belmont 1 1/2 miles on the turf. It certainly would not take away from a TC winner if one of the races was on grass. It would show versatility and probably be just as difficult to win. 1 1/2 on the weeds is the classic distance for that surface. Most people believe the turf is kinder to a horse. Hey, the Canucks do it this way
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