Rachel ran a good race, but...

copying · #1 05-17-2009, 05:00 PM

Rachel ran a good race, but in victory, she was exposed as a good filly with distance limitations. MTB in defeat, found validation in his being a serious racehorse. If they go in the Belmont, I would think MTB would be favored over Rachel.

#2 05-17-2009, 05:03 PM

Whoa don't go out on a limb there...

the_fat_man · #3 05-17-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by copying

Rachel ran a good race, but in victory, she was exposed as a good filly with distance limitations. MTB in defeat, found validation in his being a serious racehorse. If they go in the Belmont, I would think MTB would be favored over Rachel.

PROFOUND!!!

ABSOLUTELY PROFOUND.

NTamm1215 · #4 05-17-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by copying

Rachel ran a good race, but in victory, she was exposed as a good filly with distance limitations. MTB in defeat, found validation in his being a serious racehorse. If they go in the Belmont, I would think MTB would be favored over Rachel.

Cause there have been so many great fillies who could go 12 furlongs in the last 50 years, right? Especially against males?

The assumption that RA has distance limitations is ridiculous. Did you take into consideration how fast the pace was yesterday? She ran EVERYONE who participated in the pace into the ground. Very few horses are going to look fresh as a daisy after contesting those fractions and opening up at the quarter pole.

I find it hilarious that anyone would use the word "exposed" when desribing what happened yesterday at Pimlico. Unless of course you were talking about Friesan Fire, Pioneerof the Nile, or a couple of others.

NT

copying · #5 05-17-2009, 05:27 PM

All I hear is "she's the best 3 yo in the country" , "she's got the inside track on HOY". With those credentials, you would expect her to be the favorite in any race. I don't think she would be in the Belmont.

NTamm1215 · #6 05-17-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by copying

All I hear is "she's the best 3 yo in the country" , "she's got the inside track on HOY". With those credentials, you would expect her to be the favorite in any race. I don't think she would be in the Belmont.

Wow.

NT

Danzig · #7 05-17-2009, 05:34 PM

i had no idea eclipse voting was limited to betting favorites. altho i would disagree that rachel would not be favored should she run in the belmont. where the idea is coming from that she has distance limitations i don't know.

the_fat_man · #8 05-17-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I find it hilarious that anyone would use the word "exposed" when desribing what happened yesterday at Pimlico. Unless of course you were talking about Friesan Fire, Pioneerof the Nile, or a couple of others.

NT

Friesan Fire is this year's Cowtown Cat. Anyone that gave him a shot either in the Derby or, laughably, the Preakness really needs to consider giving up the game.

As for PTN, he did his job by hitting the board in the Derby.

Sent all the Beyerites into heavy SPIN mode.

cmorioles · #9 05-18-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Friesan Fire is this year's Cowtown Cat. Anyone that gave him a shot either in the Derby or, laughably, the Preakness really needs to consider giving up the game.

As for PTN, he did his job by hitting the board in the Derby. Sent all the Beyerites into heavy SPIN mode.

How exactly did his Derby do that? He ran the same figure he has been running all year.

the_fat_man · #10 05-18-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

How exactly did his Derby do that? He ran the same figure he has been running all year.

Then he must've been fast enough to hit the board that day-- as he ran faster than horses that were previously faster than he was. What a conundrum. And, of course, the claim was that he wouldn't hit the board. Simple as that, Bro.

You should really stop by more often. It's brutal here (without you).

cmorioles · #11 05-18-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Then he must've been fast enough to hit the board that day-- as he ran faster than horses that were previously faster than he was. What a conundrum. And, of course, the claim was that he wouldn't hit the board. Simple as that, Bro.

You should really stop by more often. It's brutal here (without you).

The race certainly changed when I Want Revenge scratched, and Dunkirk and Friesan Fire basically were no shows. Without those guys, there weren't many left that would above him. Even then, even the most novice handicapper probably realizes by now a mid 90s synthetic figure is probably as good as 100 on dirt.

#12 05-18-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Friesan Fire is this year's Cowtown Cat. Anyone that gave him a shot either in the Derby or, laughably, the Preakness really needs to consider giving up the game.

As for PTN, he did his job by hitting the board in the Derby.

Sent all the Beyerites into heavy SPIN mode.

Need to consider giving up the game? Although I did not bet him for my own reasons but I can not fault anyone that took a stab with him for either the win/place slot. He fired a nice workout, top trainer and has some nice graded wins. With his odds your telling a lot of good handicappers to give up the game based on two races? Interesting......

Scat

cowgirlintexas · #13 05-18-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by scat daddy

Need to consider giving up the game? Although I did not bet him for my own reasons but I can not fault anyone that took a stab with him for either the win/place slot. He fired a nice workout, top trainer and has some nice graded wins. With his odds your telling a lot of good handicappers to give up the game based on two races? Interesting......

Scat

Do you really go by that name?

Travis Stone · #14 05-17-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

She ran EVERYONE who participated in the pace into the ground. Very few horses are going to look fresh as a daisy after contesting those fractions and opening up at the quarter pole.

Considering the pace, how he looked like a train wreck going into the gate, one start in so many months etc. Big Drama ran a massive race to be 5th. He's a really nice horse... my early pick for the King's Bishop.

RolloTomasi · #15 05-17-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Considering the pace, how he looked like a train wreck going into the gate, one start in so many months etc. Big Drama ran a massive race to be 5th. He's a really nice horse... my early pick for the King's Bishop.

I'll take Musket Man or Quality Road in there if their respective connections have to steer clear of the Travers for whatever reason.

CSC · #16 05-17-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by copying

Rachel ran a good race, but in victory, she was exposed as a good filly with distance limitations. MTB in defeat, found validation in his being a serious racehorse. If they go in the Belmont, I would think MTB would be favored over Rachel.

I like everything about this post except the last sentence... 4/5

MISTERGEE · #17 05-17-2009, 08:30 PM

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skippy3481 · #18 05-17-2009, 11:10 PM

Why the hell would she be the favorite in any race. She is the best 3 year old at the classic distances. If she runs 1.5 miles someone may beat her. If she runs at at 5f someone may beat her, but very few horses can fire at all distances. The eclipse voting has nothing to do with being the favorite in every race, its your performance on the track in the races you run. Maybe, to vaildate her, we should enter her in a turf sprint at santa anita. After all, she should be able to handle any surface and race...

Antitrust32 · #19 05-18-2009, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by copying

Rachel ran a good race, but in victory, she was exposed as a good filly with distance limitations. MTB in defeat, found validation in his being a serious racehorse. If they go in the Belmont, I would think MTB would be favored over Rachel.

my vote for insane post of the year!!!

Yeah Rachel was really exposed with having distance limitations when she ran the first half in 46 and change and still won the preakness...

And MTB showed he's a better horse than her since he finished 2nd right??

I seriously wonder who had the better trip... Rachel going 4 wide the first turn out of post 13 and setting fractions of 23, 46 and change, 111 and winning the darn race...

Or MTB who loped around easily made one run, experienced a little trouble on the far turn but was pretty clear for the majority of the stretch...

The bolded part is a serious question... am I crazy for thinking Rachels trip was more taxing than MTB's??

Also, if anyone who thinks Rachel, if she runs, would not be the favorite at Belmont is ABSOLUTELY insane.

Thunder Gulch · #20 05-18-2009, 08:54 AM

I have to agree with the folks who think Rachel had the tougher of it up front setting those fractions. What I saw on Saturday in no way tells me she has distance limitations. The Belmont's 12f race is an obsolete dirt distance anyway, and RA can get 10 all day long. If she is on her game and they let her walk around Belmont in a half mile around 50, she'll roll them again. Much respect for MTB's effort, but making a too late rush up for second in no way leads me to believe he'll be able to beat the filly anytime soon.