John V. & Flower Alley

I am not going to say that Flower Alley deserved to win this race, but the ride given to him by John V. was atrocious. FOUR WIDE on the turn. Come on! This guy is supposed to be one of the best? LAUGHABLE! He grew his reputation straight off of Todd Pletcher's ass. One of the worst rides I have ever seen in a top race.

Is it any coincidence that the worst race that Afleet Alex ever ran was with this joker on his back?

[ArlJim78]

the ride had zero to do with todays finish. JV also had the whip out on the turn, what does that tell you?

[Exceller]

nobody is better than JV. flower alley just is not good enough to sit around and get fat and expect to come back and be handed wins. that horse was fat this spring.

[paisjpq]

the ride did NOT cost the horse the win--if you have ever sat on a horse you would know that a rider responds to whats underneath him--JV clearly was scrubbing on this horse early to try to keep him in it.

It tells me that he used the horse up early trying to keep pace with Siphon City. The guy has no sense of pace. Pletcher/Velasquez dominate the 2 year old division every year because it's always a dead sprint from the start. But where, please tell me, where are their TRIPLE CROWN TROPHIES??????

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by TeddyRex

It tells me that he used the horse up early trying to keep pace with Siphon City. The guy has no sense of pace. Pletcher/Velasquez dominate the 2 year old division every year because it's always a dead sprint from the start. But where, please tell me, where are their TRIPLE CROWN TROPHIES??????

Big wager today on Flower Alley I'm guessing?

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Big wager today on Flower Alley I'm guessing?

sure sounds a lot like sour grapes

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Big wager today on Flower Alley I'm guessing?

you think? JV is the best.

Originally Posted by TeddyRex

It tells me that he used the horse up early trying to keep pace with Siphon City. The guy has no sense of pace. Pletcher/Velasquez dominate the 2 year old division every year because it's always a dead sprint from the start. But where, please tell me, where are their TRIPLE CROWN TROPHIES??????

OK ... on this one you're correct.

Pletcher is the King Of The MSW Sprints ... but is out of sight when classic-distance dirt races for colts are run.

Good observation.

[GPK]

Pletcher said before the race FA was not 100%

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by GPK

Pletcher said before the race FA was not 100%

Then why in the hell would he have run him? Not 100% as in not 100% sound or not 100% ready?

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by GPK

Pletcher said before the race FA was not 100%

he would need to be 150% to beat invasor.

Originally Posted by GPK

Pletcher said before the race FA was not 100%

Yup ...

... it's always nice to be aware ... that the horse you've entered in a nationally televised G1 race ... is going to finish seventh.

That way ... you're not too disappointed afterward.

Sheeeeeeesh !!!

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by GPK

Pletcher said before the race FA was not 100%

Did he actually use those words? And by less than 100% did he mean around 80%?

Originally Posted by TeddyRex

I am not going to say that Flower Alley deserved to win this race, but the ride given to him by John V. was atrocious. FOUR WIDE on the turn. Come on! This guy is supposed to be one of the best? LAUGHABLE! He grew his reputation straight off of Todd Pletcher's ass. One of the worst rides I have ever seen in a top race.

Is it any coincidence that the worst race that Afleet Alex ever ran was with this joker on his back?

Ummm ... Teddy ... did you notice ... that the winner was three wide?

So ... Flower Alley travelled 1/2 length further than Invasor ... and he lost by ... how much?

You'd better spend just a wee bit more time learning how to watch thoroughbred races ... because you're giving the impression that you don't know what the blazes you're talking about.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by TeddyRex

Is it any coincidence that the worst race that Afleet Alex ever ran was with this joker on his back?

Okay listen, since everyone else has already correctly demonstrated that your analysis of the Whitney borders on the insane, I'll address this question. The answer is......yes it was a coincidence!!! I believe the race you are reffering to was the Rebel and it had nothing to do with JV being his rider. After the race it was revealed that AA wasn't right for the race. I can't remember exactly what it was (I'm sure someone here will) but the horse was either sick or hurt. It had NOTHING to do with the jock.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Okay listen, since everyone else has already correctly demonstrated that your analysis of the Whitney borders on the insane, I'll address this question. The answer is......yes it was a coincidence!!! I believe the race you are reffering to was the Rebel and it had nothing to do with JV being his rider. After the race it was revealed that AA wasn't right for the race. I can't remember exactly what it was (I'm sure someone here will) but the horse was either sick or hurt. It had NOTHING to do with the jock.

Lung infection... Alex had chronic lung infections.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Lung infection... Alex had chronic lung infections.

Yeah that was it. Apparently that was Johnny V's fault!!

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

I just find it mildly amusing that a certain 'clique' always jumps on here after a favorite in a big race goes down and calls him a fraud, overrated, etc. If Invasor goes down next time out the same people who are praising him today will call him overrated. Take what they say (and you know who they are) with a grain of salt...

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

I just find it mildly amusing that a certain 'clique' always jumps on here after a favorite in a big race goes down and calls him a fraud, overrated, etc. If Invasor goes down next time out the same people who are praising him today will call him overrated. Take what they say (and you know who they are) with a grain of salt...

I DO think Flower Alley is overrated, but I have thought that since his BCC second place. I still think he's a nice colt, but I don't think he's as great as some have made him out to be. I think that Perfect Drift (if he races obviously) will get by both Flower Alley AND Invasor in the BCC, so I don't think Invasor is perfect either but I definitely think that Invasor is a nicer colt than Flower Alley.