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Old 01-08-2009, 12:13 PM
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Two-Year-Old Male: Midshipman, Old Fashioned, Vineyard Haven

Two-Year-Old Filly: Dream Empress, Maram, Stardom Bound

Three-Year-Old Male: Big Brown, Colonel John, Raven’s Pass

Three-Year-Old Filly: Eight Belles, Music Note, Proud Spell

Older Male: Commentator, Curlin, Einstein (BRZ)

Older Female: Cocoa Beach (CHI), Ginger Punch, Zenyatta

Male Sprinter: Benny the Bull, Midnight Lute, Street Boss

Female Sprinter: Indian Blessing, Intangaroo, Ventura

Male Turf Horse: Conduit (IRE), Einstein (BRZ), Grand Couturier (GB)

Female Turf Horse: Cocoa Beach (CHI), Forever Together, Goldikova (IRE)

Steeplechase Horse: Be Certain, Good Night Shirt, Sovereign Duty

Owner: Godolphin Racing, IEAH Stables, Stronach Stable

Breeder: Adena Springs, Stonerside Stable, WinStar Farm

Trainer: Steve Asmussen, Richard Dutrow, Jr., Bobby Frankel

Jockey: Robby Albarado, Rafael Bejarano, Garrett Gomez

Apprentice: Inez Karlsson, Pascacio Lopez, Abel Mariano
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Old 01-08-2009, 12:19 PM
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My choices in bold.

Two-Year-Old Male: Midshipman, Old Fashioned, Vineyard Haven

Two-Year-Old Filly: Dream Empress, Maram, Stardom Bound

Three-Year-Old Male: Big Brown, Colonel John, Raven’s Pass

Three-Year-Old Filly: Eight Belles, Music Note, Proud Spell

Older Male: Commentator, Curlin, Einstein (BRZ)

Older Female: Cocoa Beach (CHI), Ginger Punch, Zenyatta

Male Sprinter: Benny the Bull, Midnight Lute, Street Boss

Female Sprinter: Indian Blessing, Intangaroo, Ventura

Male Turf Horse: Conduit (IRE), Einstein (BRZ), Grand Couturier (GB)

Female Turf Horse: Cocoa Beach (CHI), Forever Together, Goldikova (IRE)

Steeplechase Horse: Be Certain, Good Night Shirt, Sovereign Duty

Owner: Godolphin Racing, IEAH Stables, Stronach Stable

Breeder: Adena Springs, Stonerside Stable, WinStar Farm

Trainer: Steve Asmussen, Richard Dutrow, Jr., Bobby Frankel

Jockey: Robby Albarado, Rafael Bejarano, Garrett Gomez

Apprentice: Inez Karlsson, Pascacio Lopez, Abel Mariano

** The two categories that are most interesting are Female Sprinter and Male Turf horse. Do you take body of work in older filly/mare races (Intangaroo)? Do you take body of work/brilliance in 3yo races (Indian Blessing)? Or do you take an overall great year plus the big one (Ventura)?
Turf horse more so because the choices are so weak. I think Einstein deserves the look but he did just as much on dirt this year.

Also, Goldikova should NOT get Turf Female over Forever Together with only 1 race in this country, end of story.
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Old 01-08-2009, 12:24 PM
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ALBARADO//BARF..whats the line on a byk atr award..they give one for derby day coverage ect..byk rolls 365 days a year..
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Old 01-08-2009, 12:33 PM
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ALBARADO//BARF..whats the line on a byk atr award..they give one for derby day coverage ect..byk rolls 365 days a year..
Honestly... Steve will win an Eclipse award for broadcasting/media someday. I'm sure of it. As far as I know though they don't do it as part of the "show" but rather the results are announced prior.
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whats the line on a byk atr award..they give one for derby day coverage ect..byk rolls 365 days a year..
Thx Matt-O, but bet-against. The Radio/Internet Media Eclipse went to the Courier-Journal for a 3-part series on injuries.. They announced it the other day.
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you will get yours soon..thats a crock a 3 day piece gets an award when you inform from the source of any issue..
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Two-Year-Old Male: Midshipman, Old Fashioned, Vineyard Haven
This surprises me. Old Fashioned may end up being a great 3-yo, but he didn't do enough in 2008 to be alongside the other two.
I would think Charitable Man would have been a more deserving choice.
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Old 01-08-2009, 12:43 PM
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This surprises me. Old Fashioned may end up being a great 3-yo, but he didn't do enough in 2008 to be alongside the other two.
I would think Charitable Man would have been a more deserving choice.
I think the 4th and 5th choices would have been Street Hero and Square Eddie.
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having violations in the calendar year of the award to be given should prevent you from being in the running.
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having violations in the calendar year of the award to be given should prevent you from being in the running.
Steve had a violation?
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Steve had a violation?
when doesn't he?
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when doesn't he?
Steve Byk? He hasnt had a violation in years
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Steve Byk? He hasnt had a violation in years

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when you said steve, i thought you meant steve A.
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You could argue Raven's Pass winning the BC Classic combined with his overseas record beats Big Brown.
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You could argue Raven's Pass winning the BC Classic combined with his overseas record beats Big Brown.
Don't even need to combine that with his overseas record. Big Brown beat Smooth Air, Eight Belles, Denis of Cork, Coal Play, and Proudinsky while losing to Guadalcanal. In one race Raven's Pass has a much better resume.
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:00 PM
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You could argue Raven's Pass winning the BC Classic combined with his overseas record beats Big Brown.
overseas records shouldnt count. If there were not a viable horse like BB you could make the case that his one race was enough but obviously that isnt the case this year.
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overseas records shouldnt count. If there were not a viable horse like BB you could make the case that his one race was enough but obviously that isnt the case this year.
I agree that it shouldn't count...but nearly everyone factors in the Dubai World Cup, so I figured it was the same logic.
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I agree that it shouldn't count...but nearly everyone factors in the Dubai World Cup, so I figured it was the same logic.
The main reasoning that the Dubai World Cup factors in is cause such a large percentage of North American horses run in it. So it is as much a North American event held overseas as anything. European racing is very different as you'll never see one of our horses go over there to compete.
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I agree that it shouldn't count...but nearly everyone factors in the Dubai World Cup, so I figured it was the same logic.
The theory is an American based horses overseas races should count which has some merit.
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having violations in the calendar year of the award to be given should prevent you from being in the running.
Agreed. Just like the rule the NFL adopted (post Shawne Merriman) prohibiting any player from being selected to the Pro Bowl or winning a performance award in the year they tested positive.

If that rule were in play and it eliminated Asmussen, Dutrow, Pletcher, et al., who should win the award? I'm surprised that Baffert - who may train three champions - has not had his name bandied about more in this category.
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