Midnight Lute Retired

[Heels1989]

One of my favs in recent years. Goes out a Champ.

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[Heels1989]

Sorry. Just noticed this was addressed in the Retirement thread.

[CSC]

Does anyone else here think he is going to turn out to be a pretty good sire as I think he will.

[slotdirt]

How "commerical" is his pedigree really? That's my question.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

How "commerical" is his pedigree really? That's my question.

I think I know what you are saying, I'm just saying he may be a surprise win early type. I look at him as perhaps another Speightstown who certainly has been okay.

[slotdirt]

I'm not disagreeing on whether or not he will be successful, I just think he's more likely to be in Pennsylvania in five years than Kentucky.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

How "commerical" is his pedigree really? That's my question.

Slight change of subject - I'm thinking the concept of "commercial" may start to be viewed differently over the next years. I'm sure the foal crop numbers are going to drop significantly. People can no longer afford to carry any marginal stock. You can get all the cheap horses you want, for less than the cost of "cheap", nowadays, it seems.

Not only will the sale prospect have to have a solid pedigree, but I'd think fairly good chance to make money on the track, rather than only in the shed. I think people may go back to looking at the potential of earning one's keep on the track as the most realistic "residual value", versus "we can always breed it if it doesn't run".

Imagine that - going back to buying racehorses for their potential on the track as racehorses, rather than for "afterwards"

What say you that buy and sell for a living now? Chuck?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Slight change of subject - I'm thinking the concept of "commercial" may start to be viewed differently over the next years. I'm sure the foal crop numbers are going to drop significantly. People can no longer afford to carry any marginal stock. You can get all the cheap horses you want, for less than the cost of "cheap", nowadays, it seems.

Not only will the sale prospect have to have a solid pedigree, but I'd think fairly good chance to make money on the track, rather than only in the shed. I think people may go back to looking at the potential of earning one's keep on the track as the most realistic "residual value", versus "we can always breed it if it doesn't run".

Imagine that - going back to buying racehorses for their potential on the track as racehorses, rather than for "afterwards"

What say you that buy and sell for a living now? Chuck?

The whole thing is too nebulous to figure out though I will say if you have cash you can get a whole lot more horse now for the same money than you could a year ago.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

How "commerical" is his pedigree really? That's my question.

Real Quiet was never the darling of the Bluegrass in the first place; he wasn't big and impressive enough. He was the tall, slender, lean distance runner (think Frank Shorter, Olympic marathoner) rather than the big-framed, muscle-bound bruiser that is in fashion these days. He never won a sprint, and didn't win a stakes at less than 1 3/16 after his 2yo year. His first couple of crops didn't have any impressive 2yos in them, so off to PA for him.

Damsire Dehere was champion 2yo but didn't train on after Florida at 3; by Deputy Minister from a Secretariat mare, not a standout sire. There is quality back in the female family - second dam a distance G3 turf SW, half-sister to a G2 Irish SW at 10f, who was second in the Irish Oaks; third dam was a listed SW in Italy who was a full sister to Gyr, who was a 12 G1 winner in France (and was second to Nijinsky in the Derby). When you look at it closely, Midnight Lute was bred to be a stayer.

Midnight Lute's well-chronicled soundness problems - of wind and limb - ought to make breeders very wary of using him. His size, which so impresses many people, is one of the things can contribute to limb unsoundness, because skinny TB legs can't take the impact of that much weight on them for long without injury.

Commerically, he doesn't look as desirable as some others in the field, like Street Boss (Street Cry is Hot, Hot, Hot!).

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Real Quiet was never the darling of the Bluegrass in the first place; he wasn't big and impressive enough. He was the tall, slender, lean distance runner (think Frank Shorter, Olympic marathoner) rather than the big-framed, muscle-bound bruiser that is in fashion these days. He never won a sprint, and didn't win a stakes at less than 1 3/16 after his 2yo year. His first couple of crops didn't have any impressive 2yos in them, so off to PA for him.

Damsire Dehere was champion 2yo but didn't train on after Florida at 3; by Deputy Minister from a Secretariat mare, not a standout sire. There is quality back in the female family - second dam a distance G3 turf SW, half-sister to a G2 Irish SW at 10f, who was second in the Irish Oaks; third dam was a listed SW in Italy who was a full sister to Gyr, who was a 12 G1 winner in France (and was second to Nijinsky in the Derby). When you look at it closely, Midnight Lute was bred to be a stayer.

Midnight Lute's well-chronicled soundness problems - of wind and limb - ought to make breeders very wary of using him. His size, which so impresses many people, is one of the things can contribute to limb unsoundness, because skinny TB legs can't take the impact of that much weight on them for long without injury.

Commerically, he doesn't look as desirable as some others in the field, like Street Boss (Street Cry is Hot, Hot, Hot!).

it should, but I seriously doubt it does.

FWIW Candytuft (midnight Lutes dam) is a very correct mare, slightly above average size with good bone. It's one of the reasons that they took a risk in sending her to Real Quiet--since breeders were warned not to send anything to him that wasn't pretty well made.

[richard burch]

truly a great horse.

[Diver67]

Gimme 3 Lutes for 1 Big Brown. No brainer.

The Lutester was bred to be a router and he finished a close second to Awesome Gem in the San Fernando at 8.5 furlongs. I'm not going to disagree with Baffert that his talent was superior; he's an outstanding physical specimen (unlike e.g. Smarty) and I think he could well outsire his pedigree. And remember that although Real Quiet is not "successful," he's sired two multiple GI winners. (Pussycat Doll the other.)

A scary moment last summer (2007) on Pacific Classic day, the workouts early morning; the announcer said "Now finishing at five furlongs, that's Midnight Lute. . ." But there were 2 horses maybe too close to the rail, and Midnight Lute practically ran them over. . .I closed my eyes, the crowd gasped, my friend said "Its okay, just a rider down."

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Diver67

Gimme 3 Lutes for 1 Big Brown. No brainer.

The Lutester was bred to be a router and he finished a close second to Awesome Gem in the San Fernando at 8.5 furlongs. I'm not going to disagree with Baffert that his talent was superior; he's an outstanding physical specimen (unlike e.g. Smarty) and I think he could well outsire his pedigree. And remember that although Real Quiet is not "successful," he's sired two multiple GI winners. (Pussycat Doll the other.)

A scary moment last summer (2007) on Pacific Classic day, the workouts early morning; the announcer said "Now finishing at five furlongs, that's Midnight Lute. . ." But there were 2 horses maybe too close to the rail, and Midnight Lute practically ran them over. . .I closed my eyes, the crowd gasped, my friend said "Its okay, just a rider down."

I didn't know you were friends with The Fat Man.