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Old 10-29-2008, 11:32 AM
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Will no longer be allowed.....per state rules.

Why is this?
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Old 10-29-2008, 11:33 AM
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Some ridiculous notion that they cause more injuries, which is most likely not true.
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Old 10-29-2008, 11:46 AM
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Germination was directive from TJC Safety Guideline committee.. The new rule limits the height of toe grabs while eliminating the use of turn downs, or any jars/stickers/bends, on front shoes.

Not to contest CJ's assertion, but studies have for an extended period suggested that grabs and stickers can contribute to breakdowns.
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Old 10-29-2008, 11:49 AM
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Where exactly are these studies? I know a friend of BTW's has a personal study that shows the opposite is true if anything else.

Germination?
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Old 10-29-2008, 11:54 AM
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Germination?
Planting of a seed..

Dr. Mary Scolay has talked about the studies on ATR.
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Old 10-29-2008, 11:56 AM
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I'll have to check out the archives. That said, I have seen a very in depth study that at the very least shows caulks don't cause more injuries, and quite possibly fewer. Maybe you should have that guy on ATR.
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Old 10-29-2008, 04:11 PM
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Will no longer be allowed.....per state rules.

Why is this?
because FISCHER was just starting to track them?




would be cool to have the info for the past couple months and know who just ran improved races with first time mud calks
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Old 10-29-2008, 04:36 PM
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It is just another example of changing something in a game that needs many other more important changes.

This would be like my house being obliterated by a tornado and I go out the next day order a new front door lock.
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Old 10-29-2008, 05:13 PM
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I'm thinking that a lot of SHOE handicappers will now change course and become NEW GELDING handicappers. Good luck with that.
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Old 10-29-2008, 05:17 PM
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It is just another example of changing something in a game that needs many other more important changes.
This is a very important change - one of the most important single things that could be done for horse safety.

See PubMed and search away for studies.
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Old 10-29-2008, 10:28 PM
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This is a very important change - one of the most important single things that could be done for horse safety.

See PubMed and search away for studies.
It is totally overblown and the findings are highly questionable in my opinion. I would really love to hear Steve interview the guy with the opposite findings.
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Old 10-29-2008, 10:43 PM
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It is totally overblown and the findings are highly questionable in my opinion. I would really love to hear Steve interview the guy with the opposite findings.
I would love to know how the original study was done considering that 99% of horses were using toe grabs.
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Old 10-29-2008, 11:02 PM
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It is totally overblown and the findings are highly questionable in my opinion.
??? Which particular study of the many are you talking about? And what makes you think the findings are questionable?
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