Manny...

Cannon Shell · #1 10-15-2008, 04:24 PM

If I hear one more person say Manny is the greatest right handed hitter in baseball history I will scream. He is not even the best right handed hitter in the National League, now.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ramirma02.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pujolal01.shtml

declansharbor · #2 10-15-2008, 04:42 PM

He's the best since Joe Dimaggio, duh!

However, he is an all time great. The guy can take some pitches long that no one else can even make contact with. He's ALOT better than I ever gaVe him credit for.

Cannon Shell · #3 10-15-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor

He's the best since Joe Dimaggio, duh!

However, he is an all time great. The guy can take some pitches long that no one else can even make contact with. He's ALOT better than I ever gaVe him credit for.

Pujols is better

Mortimer · #4 10-15-2008, 04:56 PM

Could .."oh it's just Sara being Sara"...work?

Ah don't thank so.

ELA · #5 10-15-2008, 05:06 PM

I'd like to see when all is said and done and the careers of some of these guys are over -- how they ultimately stack up against, let's say, Willie Mays.

BTW, I am sure some of you caught the Costas special with Hank and Willie.

Eric

declansharbor · #6 10-15-2008, 05:05 PM

I'll take Manny and a dab of Lafayette's finest "V" over Pujols.

Seriously though, they are 1 and 1A in my eyes. They both give pitchers nightmares. I'd say Pujols has more 'power', but they are both great avg. hitters.

Manny's year in '99 is unheard of, as is Pujols' '03 campaign. It is ultra-tough to give the nod to either player. I hope Pujols can keep these numbers the rest of his career. That would be sick.

Rudeboyelvis · #7 10-15-2008, 05:11 PM

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Pujols is better

David Ortiz, when healthy, is better than both of them.

Cannon Shell · #8 10-15-2008, 05:45 PM

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David Ortiz, when healthy, is better than both of them.

Ortiz is not nearly good as manny and isnt close to Pujols

horseofcourse · #9 10-15-2008, 05:24 PM

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Pujols is better

I think Pujols needs to play for about 6 more years at a level similar to what his level is right now for that statement to really be true.

Cannon Shell · #10 10-15-2008, 05:50 PM

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I think Pujols needs to play for about 6 more years at a level similar to what his level is right now for that statement to really be true.

8 years isnt enough? He is a better hitter than ramirez period. He outpaces him in every meaningful stat. He is a better pure hitter, scores more, hits more doubles, hit the same amount of HR's and Rbis, strikeouts far less, walks more, is better hitter for average, has a better OBP, a higher slugging percentage and has played in a far weaker hitting park with lesser hitters hitting in front of him and behind him. He is also a tremendous playoff hitter and has never had anything even remotely close to an off year. If it werent for Bonds he would have 4 MVP's to add to this years.

dalakhani · #11 10-15-2008, 06:05 PM

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8 years isnt enough? He is a better hitter than ramirez period. He outpaces him in every meaningful stat. He is a better pure hitter, scores more, hits more doubles, hit the same amount of HR's and Rbis, strikeouts far less, walks more, is better hitter for average, has a better OBP, a higher slugging percentage and has played in a far weaker hitting park with lesser hitters hitting in front of him and behind him. He is also a tremendous playoff hitter and has never had anything even remotely close to an off year. If it werent for Bonds he would have 4 MVP's to add to this years.

All of this is true. i dont think that is a slight on Manny though. Pujols has been an incredible player. It will be interesting to see how his elbow holds up.

horseofcourse · #12 10-15-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

8 years isnt enough? He is a better hitter than ramirez period. He outpaces him in every meaningful stat. He is a better pure hitter, scores more, hits more doubles, hit the same amount of HR's and Rbis, strikeouts far less, walks more, is better hitter for average, has a better OBP, a higher slugging percentage and has played in a far weaker hitting park with lesser hitters hitting in front of him and behind him. He is also a tremendous playoff hitter and has never had anything even remotely close to an off year. If it werent for Bonds he would have 4 MVP's to add to this years.

No it's not enough. Ramirez has hit over .320 4 times in his 30s. Pujols is still 28. Ramirez hit .349 at age 30 and .332 at age 36. There is every chance Pujols will be better in his 30s than Ramirez and from age 21 through age 28 PUjols has compiled better numbers than Ramirez....fine. It's way too early for me to say which one is definitively better. Was Pass was a better two year old than Curlin. Which one is better?? I still think longevity counts for something in both baseball and horse racing. Ramirez has done it at the highest level for 15 years now. Pujols hasn't done that yet. He likely will which is fine. When he does that I'll say he is definitively better. He'll never have better hair than Manny however.

SCUDSBROTHER · #13 10-15-2008, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If I hear one more person say Manny is the greatest right handed hitter in baseball history I will scream. He is not even the best right handed hitter in the National League, now.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ramirma02.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pujolal01.shtml

You forced him to hit one out. How much of this has to do with the fact he basically has jungle rope for hair, and Pujols has a razor cut?

Cannon Shell · #14 10-15-2008, 09:30 PM

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You forced him to hit one out. How much of this has to do with the fact he basically has jungle rope for hair, and Pujols has a razor cut?

The Sampson effect?

SCUDSBROTHER · #15 10-15-2008, 09:43 PM

Pujols is more tame than Manny. I think you feel less threatened by him.

Cannon Shell · #16 10-15-2008, 09:46 PM

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Pujols is more tame than Manny. I think you feel less threatened by him.

I am an Astros fan. He has scarred my fandom. Like Pettite said, "Oh my God...."

dalakhani · #17 10-15-2008, 09:49 PM

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I am an Astros fan. He has scarred my fandom. Like Pettite said, "Oh my God...."

How far back Astros fan? JR Richard back or killer B's back?

witchdoctor · #18 10-15-2008, 09:50 PM

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I am an Astros fan. He has scarred my fandom. Like Pettite said, "Oh my God...."

I thought I was the only Astro fan on the board. Unfortunately, our farm system sucks and so will we for the forseeable future.

SCUDSBROTHER · #19 10-15-2008, 09:59 PM

That's probably the last at bat of Kent's career, and he goes down on a bad strike 3. Pretty low strike 3 on Martin earlier. Do they ever grade these old guys or what?