Weekend Stakes Beyers

[Kasept]

JOCKEY CLUB GOLD CUP (G1), Curlin 111
BELDAME S. (G1), Cocoa Beach 99
FLOWER BOWL INVITATIONAL (G1), Dynaforce 104
JOE HIRSCH TURF CLASSIC (G1), Grand Couturier 112
VOSBURGH S. (G1), Black Seventeen 108

GOODWOOD S. (G1), Well Armed 105
YELLOW RIBBON S. (G1), Wait a While 97
CLEMENT L. HIRSCH (G1), Red Giant 112
ANCIENT TITLE S. (G1), Cost of Freedom 110
OAK LEAF S. (G1), Stardom Bound 87
LADY'S SECRET S. (G1), Zenyatta 108

HAWTHORNE GOLD CUP H. (G2), Fairbanks 104
ROBERT F. CAREY MEMORIAL H. (G3), Wise River

KENTUCKY CUP CLASSIC (G2), Zanjero 99
KENTUCKY CUP DISTAFF (G3), Bear Now 93
KENTUCKY CUP SPRINT (G3), Fatal Bullet 108
ENTUCKY CUP JUVENILE S. (G3), West Side Bernie 85

ALL AMERICAN H. (G3), Delightful Kiss TBD

TURF AMAZON, Sheets 95
GALLANT BOB, Rollers 101

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Kasept

JOCKEY CLUB GOLD CUP (G1), Curlin 111
BELDAME S. (G1), Cocoa Beach 99
FLOWER BOWL INVITATIONAL (G1), Dynaforce 104
JOE HIRSCH TURF CLASSIC (G1), Grand Corturier 112
VOSBURGH S. (G1), Black Seventeen 108

GOODWOOD S. (G1), Well Armed 105
YELLOW RIBBON S. (G1), Wait a While 97
CLEMENT L. HIRSCH (G1), Red Giant 112
ANCIENT TITLE S. (G1), Cost of Freedom 110
OAK LEAF S. (G1), Stardom Bound 87
LADY'S SECRET S. (G1), Zenyatta 108

HAWTHORNE GOLD CUP H. (G2), Fairbanks TBD
ROBERT F. CAREY MEMORIAL H. (G3), Wise River TBD

KENTUCKY CUP CLASSIC (G2), Zanjero 99
KENTUCKY CUP DISTAFF (G3), Bear Now 93
KENTUCKY CUP SPRINT (G3), Fatal Bullet 108
ENTUCKY CUP JUVENILE S. (G3), West Side Bernie 85

ALL AMERICAN H. (G3), Delightful Kiss TBD

Wow....seems a little high.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by GPK

Wow....seems a little high.

Red Giant got the same fig - and he won his Grade 1 in a desperate battle instead of winning by double digits on a soft turf.

I'm not a big fan of figures for turf racing - but I think all figures become meaningless when the turf becomes soft as the margins between horses tend to get much larger and some horses struggle with the ground.

[sdjcom]

I use Brisnet pp, they are free on TSpires, and the power ratings are my tie -breaker when stuck between 2 runners, I find they are more accurate than Beyers, and i have sucess with them, just an opinion.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

I use Brisnet pp, they are free on TSpires, and the power ratings are my tie -breaker when stuck between 2 runners, I find they are more accurate than Beyers, and i have sucess with them, just an opinion.

You are largely alone in that opinion as most find the Brisnet figures useless. They are computer generated, thereby taking no mitigating race day factors or circumstances into account.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Kasept

You are largely alone in that opinion as most find the Brisnet figures useless. They are computer generated, thereby taking no mitigating race day factors or circumstances into account.

Steve, I'm not disagreeing as I use both BRIS and Beyers. I'm a believer in the more information you have, the better you are off. That and race videos give a capper a much better chance I believe.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by Kasept

You are largely alone in that opinion as most find the Brisnet figures useless. They are computer generated, thereby taking no mitigating race day factors or circumstances into account.

I,m glad I am alone on this , works for me and you are saying Beyers, factors on one day will be the same on the next day the horse in question runs? Also the Bris, computer figures are more than just speed rating however I said I us them as a tie -breaker, not a factor alone, They work for me. A figure weather hand calculated, or computer generated is still just a figure to help you in selections. Beyers are no better than speed ratings with variances.

[VOL JACK]

Would love to see Zenyatta go in the BC Classic, instead of the Distaff.
It would benefit both races.