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Old 05-20-2008, 09:11 AM
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So Warren is now forcing Carroll to replace Borel with Albarado on Denis of Cork for the Belmont? Can this guy stop his meddling? Talk about a mismanaged horse. From the boneheaded decision to skip the Rebel and Arkansas Derby to run at the speed favoring strip at Hawthorne in a paceless race which almost cost them a spot in the Derby to the baffling Derby draw decision to choose post 16 instead of post 2 when Borel was just going to the rail anyways and now they are going to replace the rider who probably gave the best ride of anyone in the Derby.
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Old 05-20-2008, 09:13 AM
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I dont like Robby Albarado, but its a good decision by the owner. Looking at DC's record in big races if I were the owner I may be thinking about changing a little more than the rider.
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Old 05-20-2008, 09:18 AM
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I dont like Robby Albarado, but its a good decision by the owner. Looking at DC's record in big races if I were the owner I may be thinking about changing a little more than the rider.
Borel makes his fair share of mistakes but I think his style of riding suits certain horses and worked very well with Denis. I don't get replacing him after an almost perfect ride. And didn't Albarado manage to get the HOY beat in this race last year by a filly?
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Old 05-20-2008, 10:27 AM
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This is such a huge mistake and it's going to cost this horse the race!!


Rabble rabble!
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Old 05-20-2008, 11:03 AM
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Switching one mediocre jockey for another. . . big deal. . .
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Old 05-20-2008, 12:18 PM
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Looking at DC's record in big races if I were the owner I may be thinking about changing a little more than the rider.
Warren can always send Denis to Dutrow after the Belmont; it'd be just like how he transferred Saint Liam from a KY trainer to Dutrow. After all, after the Belmont, Dutrow will probably be looking for a "second half" 3YO.
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The biggest - and possibly only mistake that has been made with DoC from a management standpoint was not running him in the Preakness.

Skipping the Rebel for a choice to run later in either the ILL Derby (a 500K race where everyone but DOC was elidgible for an n2x) or Wood allowed DoC to come into the TC series fresh and made him the most viable candidate to run in all three races.

He would have almost certainly finished 2nd in the Preakness - possibly even won the race ... after all - the pace was fast enough and the figure was just a 100. It would have been a great setup for him. Coming back in 3 weeks for the Belmont wouldn't have been a problem either.

DoC still has a shot in the Belmont. He is going to need some 3 way sparring between BB, CD, and Tale of Ekati - the same way Smarty Jones got it from Rock Hard Ten and Eddington - and he's going to have to play the Birdstone role of making the last run and mopping up the survior of the real battle.
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The biggest - and possibly only mistake that has been made with DoC from a management standpoint was not running him in the Preakness.

Skipping the Rebel for a choice to run later in either the ILL Derby (a 500K race where everyone but DOC was elidgible for an n2x) or Wood allowed DoC to come into the TC series fresh and made him the most viable candidate to run in all three races.

He would have almost certainly finished 2nd in the Preakness - possibly even won the race ... after all - the pace was fast enough and the figure was just a 100. It would have been a great setup for him. Coming back in 3 weeks for the Belmont wouldn't have been a problem either.

DoC still has a shot in the Belmont. He is going to need some 3 way sparring between BB, CD, and Tale of Ekati - the same way Smarty Jones got it from Rock Hard Ten and Eddington - and he's going to have to play the Birdstone role of making the last run and mopping up the survior of the real battle.

This is kinda funny
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Old 05-20-2008, 01:55 PM
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He would have almost certainly finished 2nd in the Preakness - possibly even won the race ... after all - the pace was fast enough and the figure was just a 100. It would have been a great setup for him. Coming back in 3 weeks for the Belmont wouldn't have been a problem either.
Possibly won ? Come on. Beyer speed figures won't do BB justice because he is dominating other horses by so much that he is wrapped up long before the race is complete. Beyers are based upon a horse going all out the entire way...
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Warren can always send Denis to Dutrow after the Belmont; it'd be just like how he transferred Saint Liam from a KY trainer to Dutrow. After all, after the Belmont, Dutrow will probably be looking for a "second half" 3YO.
Tony Reinstedler and his assistant Leslie did a great job with Saint Liam. The horse was going to win as a 4yr old if he stayed with Reinstedler or left for Dutrow. Top horses win wherever they go.

Warren is the one who screwed up with Denis of Cork, not David Carroll. But considering he took Saint Liam away from Reinstedler it wouldn't surprise me if they gave Denis of Cork to Dutrow.

Dutrow relies on steroids much more than Carroll or Reinstedler and I get the feeling that is what allows Dutrow horses to make a huge jump up.

What is funny is how Dutrow says he doesn't know if steroids work but he keeps giving them the 15th of every month.

Doesn't matter. Steroids will be gone within the year.
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Tony Reinstedler and his assistant Leslie did a great job with Saint Liam. The horse was going to win as a 4yr old if he stayed with Reinstedler or left for Dutrow. Top horses win wherever they go.

Warren is the one who screwed up with Denis of Cork, not David Carroll. But considering he took Saint Liam away from Reinstedler it wouldn't surprise me if they gave Denis of Cork to Dutrow.

Dutrow relies on steroids much more than Carroll or Reinstedler and I get the feeling that is what allows Dutrow horses to make a huge jump up.

What is funny is how Dutrow says he doesn't know if steroids work but he keeps giving them the 15th of every month.

Doesn't matter. Steroids will be gone within the year.
Of course they do. That's why they're top horses, right?
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