Kip Deville to dominate the VA derby

[mp3]

Many here, especially boldruler said ieah pissed 500k away on the son of kipling. Already earned back 200k and the likely favorite in the 1m va derby. Spoke with those boys today and they just had a press conference with the ntra. They are flying down in a private jet, leaving at 6.30 after the va derby and are flying straight to canterbury as they have the odds on fav in the claiming crown. then flying home. they are clearly the hottest partnership out there. There website shows purses over 1m dollars already putting among the top 15 earners in the country going into a big weekend for them. I have bought one horse with them...holly time and he won in his first start for me a will run aug. 6 at the spa.....jeff

[randallscott35]

He's not winning. It all looks too easy on paper, no speed lined up, huge race over the surface---no thanks, too good to be true. Off the board.

[mp3]

that sounds like a sophisticated analysis

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by mp3

that sounds like a sophisticated analysis

LOL. It is actually. I haven't seen his thoro yet, but why can't he bounce here. Sorry I'm not swallowing 3-1 on him back off that effort. But please dig in.

[mp3]

ran a 5 on the sheets two back for mike neatherlin, ran a 7 for dutrow in the col cup. should actually move forward as he bounced in his last. Dutrow has also had enough time with him now to have him razor sharp and i am hearing he is on his game. breezed 59 on the dirt yesterday as well.

[randallscott35]

Without seeing his overall pattern I can't tell you whether I think he'll move forward. I'm not denying how it looks, but when a race screams no speed, somebody is liable to go with him. Especially now that he's not 25-1. He is the hunted now, not somebody the jocks will simply let get away.

Easily the horse to beat if he can negotiate the added ground....lone speed, good jock change, second-time Dutrow....looks tough to me and I don't even like the horse much...

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Easily the horse to beat if he can negotiate the added ground....lone speed, good jock change, second-time Dutrow....looks tough to me and I don't even like the horse much...

That added 1/16th is big trouble for a horse like him. If Steppenwolfer takes to the turf he will blow by him just like Showing Up did. They are just better horses.

Originally Posted by boldruler

That added 1/16th is big trouble for a horse like him. If Steppenwolfer takes to the turf he will blow by him just like Showing Up did. They are just better horses.

I beleive Steppenwolfer is a fraud...never liked this horse and never will....when La-Breds beat him an an entry-level allowance at FG earlier this year, I knew he was a fake....He is just an Impeachment special...a clunk-up horse or plodder....He could take to the grass and still easily lose this race...he won't be within 20 lengths of KD down the backstretch.....

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

He's not winning. It all looks too easy on paper, no speed lined up, huge race over the surface---no thanks, too good to be true. Off the board.

Clearly a poorly planned flight to Dixie.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Clearly a poorly planned flight to Dixie.

That was funny. It seems everyone got this one right except the guy who started the thread.

Originally Posted by mp3

Many here, especially boldruler said ieah pissed 500k away on the son of kipling. Already earned back 200k and the likely favorite in the 1m va derby. Spoke with those boys today and they just had a press conference with the ntra. They are flying down in a private jet, leaving at 6.30 after the va derby and are flying straight to canterbury as they have the odds on fav in the claiming crown. then flying home. they are clearly the hottest partnership out there. There website shows purses over 1m dollars already putting among the top 15 earners in the country going into a big weekend for them. I have bought one horse with them...holly time and he won in his first start for me a will run aug. 6 at the spa.....jeff

I believe i said I thought they overpaid for him and that he was running for second or third money because Showing Up would win. It looks like I was right about Showing Up and wrong about their investment. Showing Up just destroyed him in the Colonial Cup.

Showing Up is just a better horse than KD. He proved it a couple weeks ago. KD is the Sinister Minister of the grass. He could win a few nice races but he could never beat the top grass horses because he can't rate. Showing Up has an explosive turn of foot and he can rate. That is why is a far better animal. Showing Up is going next in a grade 1, KD is not likely to ever see a grade 1. The top older horses would mow him down, just like Showing Up did. Don't be surprised if they mow him down again this weekend. On the turf, a front runner like KD is only capable of beating a mediocre bunch. He seems to have that this weekend, so he has a shot.

[Cajungator26]

I think he bounces. Off the board... JMO.

[mp3]

he is back...where is showing up? let me guess it will be 95degrees in va this weekend, that is to hot for tagg. I mean it was only 94 in the col cup. Another thing, KD can dipose of SU, post 14, crazy fractions, missed breezes, barn change, inexperienced rider, still only beat 3. you make showing up to be john henry, Kd did all the work and back ready in 3 weeks. SU passes on the 1m to run in the 4ook. let me guess, that makes sense because it is a grade one or he expects a blizzard in chicago. Usually a cool place in august. Sounds like a bunch of crap to me..

Originally Posted by mp3

he is back...where is showing up? let me guess it will be 95degrees in va this weekend, that is to hot for tagg. I mean it was only 94 in the col cup. Another thing, KD can dipose of SU, post 14, crazy fractions, missed breezes, barn change, inexperienced rider, still only beat 3. you make showing up to be john henry, Kd did all the work and back ready in 3 weeks. SU passes on the 1m to run in the 4ook. let me guess, that makes sense because it is a grade one or he expects a blizzard in chicago. Usually a cool place in august. Sounds like a bunch of crap to me..

Who is looking like the smart one now mp3? Dutrow of Tagg? In all fairness to Dutrow I see why he took his shot (although after his last race it was clear he should have had time off after those early fractions), and while Tagg is a great trainer, it was really the horse he let him know he wasn't ready to run. Tagg didn't push him though, and that deserves a bit of credit.

Originally Posted by mp3

Many here, especially boldruler said ieah pissed 500k away on the son of kipling. Already earned back 200k and the likely favorite in the 1m va derby. Spoke with those boys today and they just had a press conference with the ntra. They are flying down in a private jet, leaving at 6.30 after the va derby and are flying straight to canterbury as they have the odds on fav in the claiming crown. then flying home. they are clearly the hottest partnership out there. There website shows purses over 1m dollars already putting among the top 15 earners in the country going into a big weekend for them. I have bought one horse with them...holly time and he won in his first start for me a will run aug. 6 at the spa.....jeff

Who was number 1 in earners in the country with two horses in the top 5?

IEAH is excellent though. Good luck with them.

Kev manchu Prince looks awfully slow and hasn't beaten anything. If I was going to try to beat Kip I would stick with Roman Dynasty. His last was better than it looked. Hung 3 wide in 3rd chasing that wicked pace in his first grass start, he went back to 6th place and then rerallied for 4th. That race and pace were far more strenuous than anything that he had ever encountered before and was teh kind of race(hung wide chasing wicked pace, dropped bac, rerallied) that will really get to the bottom of a horse and tighten him up. Hes by far the value play for gimmicks.

[GPK]

Hes my pick and I am sticking to him. He may not have beaten much in here, but what horse in this race has?

Manchu Prince is 2nd off a long (4 month) layoff. I have seen his races and I love the way he moves, especially the way he finishes. I think he is very capable of improving at this stage in his career.

Just my opinion and I am sticking to it.

[blackthroatedwind]

I am inclined to want horses that didn't run in the Colonial Turf Cup. I just think other than the first two finishers in that race nobody ran a lick. Most had pretty good trips, save I suppose Yate's Black Cat, who was eliminated at the break. Kip Deville obviously could win, but something about his last effort smells to me, and I highly doubt in the three weeks between these races that he will have learned to rate comfortably, and MUCH more often than not a horse like this will evaporate. I will be very interested to see how he does in this race and more interested in where and particularly when he shows up again.

I don't know how many saw Proudinsky's race at Arlington but I thought he was very impressive. I recommend taking a good look at it. He broke a half slow and was sluggish early. He did save ground before angling out late on the second turn but as the rider tried to swing him for clear room in the stretch he was hopelessly hemmed in. He then ducked towards the inside, now rallying later than obviously hoped, and still picked his way between horses and was absolutely flying to miss by a bob. This is all the more impressive when you consider the speed NEVER came back, as the winner wired and the third horse stalked him. Now, I realize the field didn't seem super strong on paper but I hardly think he is meeting any killers in Saturday's race.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

this horse kip wont get the easy lead again and with the others who didnt run as well yates,roman ..and new shooters, step spider,,hes no lock in fact i dont think hes in the top two my picks to win are..genre ,proudinsky...the im gonna steal it run will be challenged ..