Is 3 too much ?

[sumitas]

i sent an e-mail to world reknowned pedigree expert Ellen Parker http://www.reines-de-course.com/ stating that 2 yr old Run Warrior Run (Desert Warrior) just won yesterday for the 3rd time at Del. 4-3-0-1...i mentioned that he is x3 to Spy Song. She replied that no 2 yr old should have run 3 races this time of year because the breed is too fragile.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by sumitas

i sent an e-mail to world reknowned pedigree expert Ellen Parker http://www.reines-de-course.com/ stating that 2 yr old Run Warrior Run (Desert Warrior) just won yesterday for the 3rd time at Del. 4-3-0-1...i mentioned that he is x3 to Spy Song. She replied that no 2 yr old should have run 3 races this time of year because the breed is too fragile.

That's crap. Different horses, different soundness.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by sumitas

i sent an e-mail to world reknowned pedigree expert Ellen Parker http://www.reines-de-course.com/ stating that 2 yr old Run Warrior Run (Desert Warrior) just won yesterday for the 3rd time at Del. 4-3-0-1...i mentioned that he is x3 to Spy Song. She replied that no 2 yr old should have run 3 races this time of year because the breed is too fragile.

Did you email her back and ask her when was the last time she looked at the PP's for Lawyer Ron's two year old season?

[Bigsmc]

Hopefully she'll stick to being a pedigree expert and not a trainer.

[Swap Fliparoo]

Kodiak Kowboy has already started 6 times... i'd say he's doing alright.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by sumitas

i sent an e-mail to world reknowned pedigree expert Ellen Parker http://www.reines-de-course.com/ stating that 2 yr old Run Warrior Run (Desert Warrior) just won yesterday for the 3rd time at Del. 4-3-0-1...i mentioned that he is x3 to Spy Song. She replied that no 2 yr old should have run 3 races this time of year because the breed is too fragile.

She is absolutely 100% correct. I mean last year Street Sense made his 3rd start on September 10th. Look how that worked out. It absolutely ruined both his 2yo and his 3yo campaigns......unless you are one of those weird guys that thinks winning a bunch of G1 races is a good thing.

I'm world "reknowned."

[MisterB]

[Pedigree Ann]

Despite a pretty definitive study that showed that horses who raced at 2 had longer careers with more starts than horses who didn't, there is still a small but vocal number of people who contend that racing 2yos is wrong, because the animals are not mature enough.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Despite a pretty definitive study that showed that horses who raced at 2 had longer careers with more starts than horses who didn't, there is still a small but vocal number of people who contend that racing 2yos is wrong, because the animals are not mature enough.

Has nobody explained to that "small but vocal number of people" that they are flat wrong? Maybe somebody should.
They might want to tell them about Santa Claus too.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Has nobody explained to that "small but vocal number of people" that they are flat wrong? Maybe somebody should.
They might want to tell them about Santa Claus too.

Aw man.

In all seriousness it, to me, is like saying 15 and 16 yr olds shouldn't have jobs. Sure they'll probably do a better job and be more mature about it later but you have to take baby steps. They could royally screw up their life if they're too immature but when guided properly it works out.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Aw man.

In all seriousness it, to me, is like saying 15 and 16 yr olds shouldn't have jobs. Sure they'll probably do a better job and be more mature about it later but you have to take baby steps. They could royally screw up their life if they're too immature but when guided properly it works out.

This sort of illustrates (baby steps) why I think 2-turn races before October are bad for 2yos. In the Good Old Days, nearly every major 2yo race was a 1-turn race - Breeders' Futurity (Beard course, 7f+), Kentucky Jockey Club S (8f CD chute), Remsen S (8f-Aqu chute), even the Laurel-Pimlico Futurity was a 1-turn 1 1/16 with a finish line a half-furlong beyond the normal finish line. Only the Garden State State S (disc in 1973) on the first weekend of November was a 2-turn race. Then came Oak Tree with the Norfolk (which wasn't a major race at the beginning) in mid-October. And its been downhill from there.

Nowadays we see them going 2-turns in AUGUST, for god's sake. Too much torque on immature joints. The Brits realize that classic candidates don't need to some extended distance to prepare at 2 - their championship races for 2yos and classic previews are the Dewhurst S (7f) and the Middle Park S (6f), with the 8f G1 mile race at Doncaster being more for pointing out future stayers (2-milers) and all are on the straight or around one Belmont-style turn.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Despite a pretty definitive study that showed that horses who raced at 2 had longer careers with more starts than horses who didn't, there is still a small but vocal number of people who contend that racing 2yos is wrong, because the animals are not mature enough.

I don't have anything against 2yo racing.

However, isn't it at least possible that those that race at 2 have longer careers due to the fact that those who don't race at 2 obviously have issues at least 98% of the time? I don't know many horses that don't race until 3 or later by design.

If it wasn't for the economics involved, as a group I think horses would be better off waiting longer to begin racing, or at the least racing less at 2. But I certainly understand that owners want to recoup some money sooner.