Polyhater...

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.tsnhorse.com/cgi-bin/edit...le.cgi?id=8468

I guess this dude will have to take up greyhounds or jai-lai

Personally I like his take that we are ruining the breed with Polytrack....

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

yes we were much better off with the sinister minister..deal

The cheaters will figure how to win on it sooner or later. Maybe they'll have to make a drug that will be like a downer for the first half and an upper for the second.

[The Bid]

Should change the breed for the better if they put some stamina and soundness back into these fragile speedballs.

Who really thinks there are any legit grade 1s in california anyhow?

The Bing Crosby is shaping up to be one of the worst fields in history. The favorite is looking like BATTLE WON.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

All of these major races run over the artifical surfaces have looked like eyesores to me.

Just ugly looking races.

I guess if you like watching slow-paced races, with bunched up fields, and horses racing fairly erratically it might be for you. It's about as entertaining as watching pacers without sulkys.

There is something very beautiful when watching an awesome performance, by a top class horse, in a truly run dirt race.

After I make any notes I need, I tape over these major synthetic races because they are tremendously unenjoyable to watch.

The only two from this year that I know I still have kept tape of are the Blue Grass and Hollywood Gold Cup. Obviously two painfully ugly races to watch, but I had to keep the one because it represented the deepest field in a Derby prep, and the other one because it represented Lava Man's 3rd straight Gold Cup.

Watching Domincan rally wide into the teeth of disgracefully slow fractions, to nab Street Sense, is almost unbearable.

The Hollywood Gold Cup might have been even harder to watch....with Ap Xcellent (who's never won on anything but cushion track) losing to Lava Man by a nose, with a stoutly closing and moderate Big Booster flying at him.

The races are run like turf races, but horses don't close with those exciting late bursts like they do on turf. It's more of a steady grinding move.

If racing everywhere was switched from natural dirt surfaces, to artifical dirt surfaces, I would obviously still be involved in day-to-day betting and nothing like that would change.

But, there is no way I'd consider myself a fan of the sport anymore. I love true dirt racing, and have a video library with tapes of races from virtually every Graded Stakes winner this decade, virtually every Grade 1 winner through the 90's, virtually every champion to race from the 80's, and all of the top horses from the 70's.

I can only speak for myself, but I find polytrack racing to be tremendously boring and uninteresting. Even when you have a bet on the race, you still feel like you want to sleep away the first half of the race.

But hey, we all know how natural dirt is such a demanding and crippling surface.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

But, there is no way I'd consider myself a fan of the sport anymore. I love true dirt racing, and have a video library with tapes of races from virtually every Graded Stakes winner this decade, virtually every Grade 1 winner through the 90's, virtually every champion to race from the 80's, and all of the top horses from the 70's.

Will you put me in your Will?

I get your point in the rest of your post, but I still think the ugliest Grade 1 of the year was the Suburban.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

All of these major races run over the artifical surfaces have looked like eyesores to me.

Just ugly looking races.

I guess if you like watching slow-paced races, with bunched up fields, and horses racing fairly erratically it might be for you. It's about as entertaining as watching pacers without sulkys.

There is something very beautiful when watching an awesome performance, by a top class horse, in a truly run dirt race.

After I make any notes I need, I tape over these major synthetic races because they are tremendously unenjoyable to watch.

The only two from this year that I know I still have kept tape of are the Blue Grass and Hollywood Gold Cup. Obviously two painfully ugly races to watch, but I had to keep the one because it represented the deepest field in a Derby prep, and the other one because it represented Lava Man's 3rd straight Gold Cup.

Watching Domincan rally wide into the teeth of disgracefully slow fractions, to nab Street Sense, is almost unbearable.

The Hollywood Gold Cup might have been even harder to watch....with Ap Xcellent (who's never won on anything but cushion track) losing to Lava Man by a nose, with a stoutly closing and moderate Big Booster flying at him.

The races are run like turf races, but horses don't close with those exciting late bursts like they do on turf. It's more of a steady grinding move.

If racing everywhere was switched from natural dirt surfaces, to artifical dirt surfaces, I would obviously still be involved in day-to-day betting and nothing like that would change.

But, there is no way I'd consider myself a fan of the sport anymore. I love true dirt racing, and have a video library with tapes of races from virtually every Graded Stakes winner this decade, virtually every Grade 1 winner through the 90's, virtually every champion to race from the 80's, and all of the top horses from the 70's.

I can only speak for myself, but I find polytrack racing to be tremendously boring and uninteresting. Even when you have a bet on the race, you still feel like you want to sleep away the first half of the race.

But hey, we all know how natural dirt is such a demanding and crippling surface.

I agree with much of what you say but the hollywood races still are run like dirt, they dont bunch up as you describe and the fractions are reasonble.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

All of these major races run over the artifical surfaces have looked like eyesores to me.

Just ugly looking races.

I guess if you like watching slow-paced races, with bunched up fields, and horses racing fairly erratically it might be for you. It's about as entertaining as watching pacers without sulkys.

There is something very beautiful when watching an awesome performance, by a top class horse, in a truly run dirt race.

After I make any notes I need, I tape over these major synthetic races because they are tremendously unenjoyable to watch.

The only two from this year that I know I still have kept tape of are the Blue Grass and Hollywood Gold Cup. Obviously two painfully ugly races to watch, but I had to keep the one because it represented the deepest field in a Derby prep, and the other one because it represented Lava Man's 3rd straight Gold Cup.

Watching Domincan rally wide into the teeth of disgracefully slow fractions, to nab Street Sense, is almost unbearable.

The Hollywood Gold Cup might have been even harder to watch....with Ap Xcellent (who's never won on anything but cushion track) losing to Lava Man by a nose, with a stoutly closing and moderate Big Booster flying at him.

The races are run like turf races, but horses don't close with those exciting late bursts like they do on turf. It's more of a steady grinding move.

If racing everywhere was switched from natural dirt surfaces, to artifical dirt surfaces, I would obviously still be involved in day-to-day betting and nothing like that would change.

But, there is no way I'd consider myself a fan of the sport anymore. I love true dirt racing, and have a video library with tapes of races from virtually every Graded Stakes winner this decade, virtually every Grade 1 winner through the 90's, virtually every champion to race from the 80's, and all of the top horses from the 70's.

I can only speak for myself, but I find polytrack racing to be tremendously boring and uninteresting. Even when you have a bet on the race, you still feel like you want to sleep away the first half of the race.

But hey, we all know how natural dirt is such a demanding and crippling surface.

You saved me a lot of time typing by expressing my thoughts exactly.

[fpsoxfan]

Watching Domincan rally wide into the teeth of disgracefully slow fractions, to nab Street Sense, is almost unbearable.

Agreed Drugs...That race was the closest imitation to Harness Racing I've ever seen since following T-breds. It was the worst and most confusing race of the prep races. Poly sucks. I know, as handicappers we are supposed to make the adjustment, but I still hate it. If It ever reaches the entire NYRA circuit, I may retire from the game and take up a new addiction.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Should change the breed for the better if they put some stamina and soundness back into these fragile speedballs.

Who really thinks there are any legit grade 1s in california anyhow?

The Bing Crosby is shaping up to be one of the worst fields in history. The favorite is looking like BATTLE WON.

Most of the people on this board!!!!

[Bigsmc]

Dude must be losing his shirt and can't adjust his handicapping. The stuff is here to stay, so gamblers must adapt or lose. Survival of the fittest, quit crying and get 'capping.

[jwkniska]

if you adjust your handicapping to polytrack (cheap speed fades and dies out in the stretch) then you can make a ton of $$ from the people betting the cheap speed. I'll keep it... plays to the more astute handicapper.

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by jwkniska

if you adjust your handicapping to polytrack (cheap speed fades and dies out in the stretch) then you can make a ton of $$ from the people betting the cheap speed. I'll keep it... plays to the more astute handicapper.

do you mean the poly favors closers, or is it just more of a fair surface, for example when there is a speed duel the closers can get up to win?

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

do you mean the poly favors closers, or is it just more of a fair surface, for example when there is a speed duel the closers can get up to win?

the polytrack, at least for AP and KEE, which have the same polytrack mix (and will be the same mix as Del Mar!!!) plays to stalkers and especially closers and has a bias toward them. Anything that goes out quick early on it will tire unless the horse is 10X better than anything else in the field.

Alot of people don't like it, because all they look at are the speed numbers and play the one with the highest rating regardless of class of horse, which will NOT work on polytrack. That also inflates the payouts, as everyone bets the cheap speed that will fade and won't bet a good closer.

It seems that the polytrack plays almost the exact opposite as the 'golden rail' that used to be at Keeneland on dirt and Aqueduct's inner dirt track, where anything that got out front early won. Poly: out front early is normally a bad thing, as the horse will tire and get passed by a good closer.

[MISTERGEE]

sounds good, what i have hated the most are the tracks where you see maybe 4 speedburners in one race you expect a suicidal duel they go 44 flat and the front runners win anyway!

[JJP]

Originally Posted by jwkniska

. Poly: out front early is normally a bad thing, as the horse will tire and get passed by a good closer.

You mean like a horse like.....Dominican? Who entered today with a perfect 3 for 3 synthetic record, had beaten the KY Derby winner over the Poly, and has the correct closing style.

Polytrack plays far more to randomness than either dirt or grass.

[Sightseek]

Dominician just got his butt kicked by Pavarotti & Timed Squared.

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Dominician just got his butt kicked by Pavarotti & Timed Squared.

works for me. just hit the tri with it!

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by jwkniska

works for me. just hit the tri with it!

Nice job! The top two were thrilling in battle.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.tsnhorse.com/cgi-bin/edit...le.cgi?id=8468

I guess this dude will have to take up greyhounds or jai-lai

Personally I like his take that we are ruining the breed with Polytrack....

Storm Cat has ruined the breed , the sooner he is pensioned or dies the better off racing will be.