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04-24-2007, 04:10 PM
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Biggest gap between the best horse in a crop and the rest
As DrugS was enthralling me yet again about how Rose didnt give afleet alex one of the dumbest rides in derby history, it occurred to me that in the last 20-30 years, it's possible that Afleet Alex might be the biggest standout in a single crop.
Now, I'm not saying that Afleet Alex is the best horse of the last 3 decades, but can anyone find an example of a horse that is that much better than the next best horse in their crop, compared to alex vs the rest of his junky crop? 
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04-24-2007, 04:16 PM
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Some have said Flower Alley would have beat Afleet Alex later in 2005. I think they're nuts.
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04-24-2007, 04:20 PM
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04-24-2007, 04:21 PM
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Point Given.. Swale..(?) Slew.. Native Dancer.. War Admiral..
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04-24-2007, 04:33 PM
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native dancer and war admiral were considerably more than 30 years ago. swale's crop had precisionist, gate dancer, greinton, al mamoon, etc. i'm not sure swale was even the best horse in the crop, though maybe at the time of the triple crown he was! i'll give you slew, that one is pretty obvious, but cutting it close for the 30 year mark.
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04-24-2007, 04:34 PM
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Bellamy Road.
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04-24-2007, 04:39 PM
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Smarty Jones was so much better than everyone in that crop it was ridiculous.
The fact that he didn't win the Triple Crown proves how difficult it really is...
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04-24-2007, 04:49 PM
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04-24-2007, 10:12 PM
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04-24-2007, 04:38 PM
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Swale? He had Dr. Carter, Devil's Bag, Slew o' Gold and even Time for a Change.
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04-24-2007, 04:42 PM
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04-24-2007, 04:45 PM
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He was a nice horse....and at best about fourth or fifth best of his crop. Hell, as a 2YO Shuttle Jet used to give him all he could handle. Did you ever read the chart of his Belmont win? I believe it said something like " closed off his own fractions ".
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04-24-2007, 04:48 PM
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My nominees would be (from 1986 to present):
Arazi (1992) over AP Indy Holy Bull (1994) over Tabasco Cat Thunder Gulch (1995) over Serena's Song Point Given (2001) over ???? My rankings: 1. Point Given 2. Arazi 3. Thunder Gulch 4. Holy Bull
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04-24-2007, 04:52 PM
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point given had congaree. i'm not sold on thunder gulch even being best in his crop. and the holy bull crop was quite nice
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04-24-2007, 04:53 PM
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Thunder Gulch won a war of attrition. He was not that good.
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04-24-2007, 05:05 PM
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I loved Congaree as a horse but I didn't think he showed his best until later. Point Given kicked his ass in the Preakness and then that was Congaree later getting handled again in the Jim Dandy.
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04-24-2007, 04:54 PM
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Arazi over AP Indy, Lure or Paradise Creek?? Thunder Gulch was a nice horse, but let's remember that Timber Country and Afternoon Deelites were also members of this crop, and Thunder Gulch was all out on more than one occasion to beat Suave Prospect. If he was THAT GOOD, I doubt he would have been 24-1 in the Derby. I think I'd have to look at Spectacular Bid.
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04-24-2007, 04:56 PM
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as great at bid was, at least that crop had the very nice horses flying paster, relaunch, coastal and general assembly.
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04-27-2007, 01:19 PM
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04-27-2007, 02:05 PM
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