Fusaichi Pegasus

randallscott35 · #1 03-29-2007, 05:05 PM

What do you think of him so far as a sire? I would list him as a disappointment when you consider the quality mares he gets and the hoopla around him when he was racing. He needs to step up his game in the shed.

Cannon Shell · #2 03-29-2007, 05:10 PM

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What do you think of him so far as a sire? I would list him as a disappointment when you consider the quality mares he gets and the hoopla around him when he was racing. He needs to step up his game in the shed.

I hate him. Unsound legs + unsound minds = trouble.

randallscott35 · #3 03-29-2007, 05:11 PM

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I hate him. Unsound legs + unsound minds = trouble.

Yeah and just looking at all-time earnings from these sires, his leading earner is still Officer, another unsound overrated horse.

http://breeding.bloodhorse.com/sirel...tlEarngs06.pdf

Merlinsky · #4 03-29-2007, 05:19 PM

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Yeah and just looking at all-time earnings from these sires, his leading earner is still Officer, another unsound overrated horse.

http://breeding.bloodhorse.com/sirel...tlEarngs06.pdf

Oh phfew, Officer (JPN)...really need to put the abbreviation on there. I was like 'ok now Bertrando...'

I hear the pasterns are a big problem with FuPegs. The ones I've seen pictures of and been told about are long.

And agreed, being headcases never helps. Not gonna keep the fee too high forever are they? What's legit based on what he gets and his sire ranking?

Antitrust32 · #5 03-29-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Yeah and just looking at all-time earnings from these sires, his leading earner is still Officer, another unsound overrated horse.

http://breeding.bloodhorse.com/sirel...tlEarngs06.pdf

Officer (the one we know in the USA) is by Bertrando and was born one year before FuPeg won the Derby.

Officer, the "leading earner" of FuPeg is a Japanese horse who has won 35 million Yen (or 480,000 USD)

randallscott35 · #6 03-29-2007, 05:21 PM

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Officer (the one we know in the USA) is by Bertrando and was born one year before FuPeg won the Derby.

Officer, the "leading earner" of FuPeg is a Japanese horse who has won 35 million Yen (or 480,000 USD)

Thank you guys, I missed that, didn't think about the JPN Officer....That actually makes him look worse. 480,000 U.S. doesn't knock my socks off for a guy who's been at stud for some time now.

Antitrust32 · #7 03-29-2007, 05:22 PM

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Thank you guys, I missed that, didn't think about the JPN Officer....That actually makes him look worse. 480,000 U.S. doesn't knock my socks off for a guy who's been at stud for some time now.

Doesnt make sense I thought Roman Ruler made more.. need to check

#8 03-29-2007, 05:29 PM

Yeah it looks like the best part of him is running down the mares legs.

He's still one of my favorite horses because back in the day...ages ago...when I was a young lad like PG1985 and NDFanMan HOLLABACK LOOK AT ME YO, I had him keyed in my exactas and tris and had a 'uuuge win bet on him. Times have changed, however, and my ballin' *jumpshot* days are over.

Antitrust32 · #9 03-29-2007, 05:21 PM

you know what they say Merlinsky..

mediocre minds think alike

Cajungator26 · #10 03-29-2007, 05:35 PM

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I hate him. Unsound legs + unsound minds = trouble.

My thoughts exactly. Can't stand Fu-Pig.

Sightseek · #11 03-29-2007, 05:37 PM

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I hate him. Unsound legs + unsound minds = trouble.

They do look like they are about to snap mentally at any moment.

If 'pretty' is your thing, he does throw some lookers.

Cajungator26 · #12 03-29-2007, 05:39 PM

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They do look like they are about to snap mentally at any moment.

If 'pretty' is your thing, he does throw some lookers.

He does have a gorgeous head, but that's about it for him. Roman Ruler got that gorgeous head also...

randallscott35 · #13 03-29-2007, 05:40 PM

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They do look like they are about to snap mentally at any moment.

If 'pretty' is your thing, he does throw some lookers.

If pretty only paid the vet bills....

Merlinsky · #14 03-30-2007, 02:44 AM

Speaking of FuPeg and craziness, I know some of you might remember my mentioning Sky Pegasus awhile back.. Laurie had to geld him--he was being downright nasty and I'm sure only part of it was the intact part of him from his cryptorchid days. They figured his charging at people was not a good habit to have but I'm beginning to wonder if the gelding will improve his personality. Other horses I'd think about it more but a FuPeg? Could be irreversible. SP's female family was interesting but he had FuPeg pasterns and just put her in a position she had to deal with it rather than let him pass anything on. He simply couldn't justify remaining a stallion.

Someone tried to buy him off her for a regional market out West I think and were being so weird about it she said no. I mean for one thing he really didn't deserve to serve as anybody's stallion prospect just yet plus Laurie said something seemed off about the whole thing. There's no telling what might've happened to him in a less solid owner's hands.

miraja2 · #15 03-30-2007, 06:48 AM

It certainly doesn't help matters when his most high profile Derby contender this year (Ravel) goes on the shelf with a leg issue.
He has sired a couple G1 winners in Bandini and Roman Ruler, and I don't think I would classify him as a complete failure, but given the quality of the mares he has covered, he has not exactly been spectacular.
There is an unraced 3yo filly named Tranquility that is by FuPeg and out of an Unbridleds Song mare. What do you think the odds are that that filly is sound? Slim to none would be my guess.

Cannon Shell · #16 03-29-2007, 05:45 PM

I have had three. One colt turned gelding and 2 fillies. The colt had some talent but his prior trainer basically gave up on him and said to send him to me, that maybe I could do something with him. He got hurt 3 times due to be ing crazy, finally ran and finished a good second then refused to train and ran bad before being sent back to farm. The fillies were both mean as hell and neither could run a little. Now I realize that this is a small sample but I have heard similar from other trainers.

Grits · #17 03-30-2007, 07:35 AM

This is so puzzling to me. It really is. That one can work each day with horses that are lazy as sin, ones that are smart as can be, ones that are dumber than a bucket o dirt, and ones that too, are crazy.

Its worrisome as sin I know, yet its fascinating to read about.

Can you tell more about what shows when a horse "refuses to train." His actions, etc, (or lack thereof). And possibly the crazy ones. Or you could discuss each, that would be even better.

This should probably be another thread, but either way, quite interesting stuff.

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I have had three. One colt turned gelding and 2 fillies. The colt had some talent but his prior trainer basically gave up on him and said to send him to me, that maybe I could do something with him. He got hurt 3 times due to be ing crazy, finally ran and finished a good second then refused to train and ran bad before being sent back to farm. The fillies were both mean as hell and neither could run a little. Now I realize that this is a small sample but I have heard similar from other trainers.

KY_Sasquash · #18 03-30-2007, 09:38 AM

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This is so puzzling to me. It really is. That one can work each day with horses that are lazy as sin, ones that are smart as can be, ones that are dumber than a bucket o dirt, and ones that too, are crazy.

Just think if this applied to humans!

Cannon Shell · #19 03-30-2007, 11:01 AM

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This is so puzzling to me. It really is. That one can work each day with horses that are lazy as sin, ones that are smart as can be, ones that are dumber than a bucket o dirt, and ones that too, are crazy.

Its worrisome as sin I know, yet its fascinating to read about.

Can you tell more about what shows when a horse "refuses to train." His actions, etc, (or lack thereof). And possibly the crazy ones. Or you could discuss each, that would be even better.

This should probably be another thread, but either way, quite interesting stuff.

He would rear, prop, freeze or bolt pretty much without warning. This was well after he had been gelded. Somtimes getting after them can do the trick but sometimes it makes them worse. Some horses are labeled crazy when they are just studdish or mean. Crazy to me is when one gives very little indication of what or when a horse is going to do something out of the norm. Sometimes horses that act mean are just sore and as such horses by stallions with questionable soundness are more apt to be mean/sour/sore.

POINTGIVEN1985 · #20 03-30-2007, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I have had three. One colt turned gelding and 2 fillies. The colt had some talent but his prior trainer basically gave up on him and said to send him to me, that maybe I could do something with him. He got hurt 3 times due to be ing crazy, finally ran and finished a good second then refused to train and ran bad before being sent back to farm. The fillies were both mean as hell and neither could run a little. Now I realize that this is a small sample but I have heard similar from other trainers.

i dont understand though, fupeg was high tempered himself, so wouldnt you almost expect this ?