Trainers and drugs

[Left Bank]

With Pletchers appeal recently ruled against,he will most likely be joining Mr.Lake,Asmussen,and Norman on Drug vacation.Imagine that,the top thoroughbred trainers in the country,except Frankel,all on suspension for drugs.Great message they are sending out.I agree with the article I read recently that stated that tracks should refund all money to people who wagered on a race with drug positives in it.Maybe then the sport would finally clean up its act,and the breed would regain soundness and stamina in the animals.What do you all think?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

With Pletchers appeal recently ruled against,he will most likely be joining Mr.Lake,Asmussen,and Norman on Drug vacation.Imagine that,the top thoroughbred trainers in the country,except Frankel,all on suspension for drugs.Great message they are sending out.I agree with the article I read recently that stated that tracks should refund all money to people who wagered on a race with drug positives in it.Maybe then the sport would finally clean up its act,and the breed would regain soundness and stamina in the animals.What do you all think?

In addition to that, those trainers should have to pay percentages of winning money lost by owners, trainers, grooms, jockeys and exercise riders of the horses that were beat by guys that cheated.

[ArlJim78]

how about a class action suit...I want my money refunded.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

common people ..its just a little head cold...celabrex.. revives tired blood..

[Honu]

And another thing , those people who cashed on said juiced up horses should have to give back their winnings too , because maybe if the trainers hadnt cheated then they wouldnt have cashed tickets. Is only fair.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Honu

And another thing , those people who cashed on said juiced up horses should have to give back their winnings too , because maybe if the trainers hadnt cheated then they wouldnt have cashed tickets. Is only fair.

Lets not go too far Honu, this game is hard enough, either way I already give back all my money

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Scav

Lets not go too far Honu, this game is hard enough, either way I already give back all my money

LOL!!!!!!!!!

[tanner12oz]

i think its very hard to make money and be successful if you run a clean operation. my feelings are that there are more drugged horses then non drugged horses. something needs to be done. the guys that are playin fair are gettin killed cuz everyone is cheating. if nothing gets done everyone will eventually be drugged. it will be the only way to make money

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Honu

And another thing , those people who cashed on said juiced up horses should have to give back their winnings too , because maybe if the trainers hadnt cheated then they wouldnt have cashed tickets. Is only fair.

Now that wouldn't be fair. Those people didn't do anything wrong. Unless you're talking about tickets cashed by the offending trainers or their associates, people with knowledge of the juicing.

[wac]

This is a tough topic i am surprised by pletcher getting in trouble as i didnt think he would do something like that. But oh well, has Barclay Tagg ever gotten in trouble? i really like him and if i ever got a horse that i thought was pretty good that is the guy that i would want training it. you guys are right though if everyone is doing it and some guys are playing by the rules not very fair.

[The Bid]

The only guys who play fair are the guys who are too broke or cheap to hire aggressive vets.

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

Its just a matter of how much money they have to spend on the stuff that they know won't show up, in the test. Its basically the "clear" but for horses insted of Barry Bonds.

[avance2000]

Originally Posted by wac

i am surprised by pletcher getting in trouble as i didnt think he would do something like that.

are you being sarcastic here? the guy learned under one of the biggest drug-using cheaters in the history of the sport.
he had to pick up some good pointers.

Originally Posted by avance2000

are you being sarcastic here? the guy learned under one of the biggest drug-using cheaters in the history of the sport.
he had to pick up some good pointers.

Then why are so many of D Waynes horses great sires, and why have some of his filles and mares been good producers?
I have noticed certain unaccused "great trainers" can't get a sire to save their lives. Anyone besides me ever conclude thats because perhaps their horses performances were artificial?

I think the solution to the drug problem is simple. If a trainer gets caught "juicing" a horse then it is a lifetime suspension. I would say that all drugs need to be illegal. I know you can make an arguement for a couple of them, but to me it is a ZERO drug policy. If you do want to give your horse something then you better make sure to have the horse tested (with your own money) to make sure the drug is out of the horse's system.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I think the solution to the drug problem is simple. If a trainer gets caught "juicing" a horse then it is a lifetime suspension. I would say that all drugs need to be illegal. I know you can make an arguement for a couple of them, but to me it is a ZERO drug policy. If you do want to give your horse something then you better make sure to have the horse tested (with your own money) to make sure the drug is out of the horse's system.

I'll go even further. I think if a horse gets a positive for even a cough drop, the trainer and horse is sentenced to death by firing squad. ZERO TOLERANCE.
Now if their assistant takes over their stable and they have a horse come up with a positive the horse and assistant, along with the original trainers immediate family, are sentenced to death by being thrown out of a plane over the everglades. That way if one of them survives a critter will be sure to finish them off.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I'll go even further. I think if a horse gets a positive for even a cough drop, the trainer and horse is sentenced to death by firing squad. ZERO TOLERANCE.
Now if their assistant takes over their stable and they have a horse come up with a positive the horse and assistant, along with the original trainers immediate family, are sentenced to death by being thrown out of a plane over the everglades. That way if one of them survives a critter will be sure to finish them off.

Thats a little too lenient for me.
I propose a real scare. When Oleg Penkovksy, the GRU colonel of the USSR who was caught spying for the US and saved us in the Cuban Missile Crisis, was convicted of spying, they bound him to a board with piano wire and cremated him alive. Not burned, cremated him ALIVE!!!
I'd say that would cut down on violations.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats a little too lenient for me.
I propose a real scare. When Oleg Penkovksy, the GRU colonel of the USSR who was caught spying for the US and saved us in the Cuban Missile Crisis, was convicted of spying, they bound him to a board with piano wire and cremated him alive. Not burned, cremated him ALIVE!!!
I'd say that would cut down on violations.

Now I didnt know that little story. Yeah, that is pretty bad right there.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats a little too lenient for me.
I propose a real scare. When Oleg Penkovksy, the GRU colonel of the USSR who was caught spying for the US and saved us in the Cuban Missile Crisis, was convicted of spying, they bound him to a board with piano wire and cremated him alive. Not burned, cremated him ALIVE!!!
I'd say that would cut down on violations.

Hey we could label these cheaters terrorists and send them overseas for some good old fashioned torture before their death sentence. They could enjoy various forms of torture like a caning or how about a scoldering coat hanger shoved up their pisshole?

It's time for the $1 exacta boxers to get revenge!!!!

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I am against "juicing" as much as the next guy, but this is kind of crazy. Lifetime suspension? Stuff happens, and it's not always the trainers fault that horses get whatever they get. I'm not defending anyone, or making excuses, but a lifetime ban seems kind of harsh.

Why do you think it is a little harsh? I know stuff happens as well. But, someone has to take the responsibility. To me, the trainer is the one that needs to be held accountable. You could also have something in place for big operations where the assistant trainer is running the barn while the main trainer is at the main stable. For example, Pletcher could have a string in Cali but he would be in New York. The trainer over seeing the operation in Cali would be responsible for any positive tests. The training outfit has to say that they horses are running under the assistants name on behalf of Pletcher. There is always policy that can be well written to address all situations.