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[SCUDSBROTHER]

Nomar-LA Dodgers 2 years $18,500,000

F'n is a huge injury risk.I need a bat to rearrange somebody's brain.

[timmgirvan]

I daresay you won't feel this way come Sept 2007. Drew walked away, so maybe they're gonna take the gamble that he'll hold up better than Drew. Team chemistry-wise...it's a winner. Add Pierres' 9mil a year and they're still only 5-6 more than last year. It'll all work out.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I daresay you won't feel this way come Sept 2007. Drew walked away, so maybe they're gonna take the gamble that he'll hold up better than Drew. Team chemistry-wise...it's a winner. Add Pierres' 9mil a year and they're still only 5-6 more than last year. It'll all work out.

Was he healthy against the Mets in the playoffs? I don't get it.You know very well his injury history.You must use some of this money on somebody in case he gets hurt.If this was a smart organization,they would give him a base salary of 5 or 6 million a year,and then pay him for each game he plays.It is not his fault he gets hurt,but it is not the organization's fault either.The fair thing is shared risk(which is paying him at a high rate when he is available to play.)Did we learn nothing from Dreifort's pathetic situation.What does this guy own ? Half of Kansas,and pitched very little for us.The Dodger middle relief got their a$$ beat against the Mets.How about some signings there.They have just told every G.M. in the league that they are irresponsible with the club's money. They are gunna be overpaying for every player now(whether traded for or signed by free agency.)They said they needded pitching,but have done nothing but drive up the price they are gunna have to pay for it.Every other G.M. in the league is belly laughing at paying an oft injured guy 18.5/2 years.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

They had team chemistry this last year,but you have to have somebody to pitch the g d baseball.It is pathetic to spend 100 mil a year,and f'n rely on g d Tomko n' Sealy to keep a lead.If I see Tomko wearing a Dodger uniform again,I will be unable to control the involuntary puke response.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

"Bill Mueller became the highest-paid special assistant to the general manager in Dodgers history Friday when he was forced to retire as a player and joined the front office.
A year ago, Mueller was one of Ned Colletti's first signings, inking a two-year, $9.5 million contract that pays him $4.5 million in 2007, guaranteed whether he plays or not. He was signed to play third base and fill the black hole left by the departure of Adrian Beltre.

But Mueller's already balky right knee broke down in late April and didn't respond to a third operation in early May. The knee is irreparably crippled with arthritis and likely will need to be replaced.
... Mueller played in only 32 games for the Dodgers.."

Schnook

PRONUNCIATION: shnk
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[timmgirvan]

Scuds: Dodgers were realistically 3 arms short this year and so Little used him too much. What's the deal with you and Muellar? He was a hardnose player before he got hurt,so his year was crap. He made a move upstairs cuz his knee is shot....and the Dodgers don't seem to mind...they're keeping him around!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Scuds: Dodgers were realistically 3 arms short this year and so Little used him too much. What's the deal with you and Muellar? He was a hardnose player before he got hurt,so his year was crap. He made a move upstairs cuz his knee is shot....and the Dodgers don't seem to mind...they're keeping him around!

I don't have a problem with Nomar,or Muellar.I have a problem with piss'n away 8 million or so(Muellar played a total of thirty some odd games..I will be charitable n' say we got 1 mil $ in work for what will end up being 9 mil that we gave him.)Now,we are attempting to repeat the same mistake with Nomar.Won't surprise me one bit if we get just 80 games played for the 18.5 mil/2 year guaranteed contract.)Irritates me when people repeat their mistakes like this.You can not give a guy (with various physical problems)
an 18.5/2 year guaranteed contract.I can not believe this G.M. is this stupid.I have no problem giving the guy this money,but he would have to stay injury free to get it.He has shown he can not avoid injuries.You gotta give him a base salary with incentives.I would not mind him making 15 mil salary+incentives/year if he were healthy enough to play the games.When he gets hurt,what's he gunna say? Sorry? That hip won't hold up.The legs won't hold up.It is an absurd contract.Could easily end up being an expensive bench coach.I will say I fully expect that will happen.I hope for different,but have nothing to base that hope on.HOPE(ALONE ) IS AN IMMATURE EMOTION.

[timmgirvan]

Well, apparently the Pads and Giants aren't gonna stand pat this winter, so the division will be harder to clinch. How about Matthews/Angels deal? If he hits leadoff,does that mean they're shopping Figgie(bad move I think).

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Well, apparently the Pads and Giants aren't gonna stand pat this winter, so the division will be harder to clinch. How about Matthews/Angels deal? If he hits leadoff,does that mean they're shopping Figgie(bad move I think).

Figgy will play 3rd(I guess.)He messed up a lot in center this year.This signing will set an example of defensive excellence that will hopefully carry over to the rest of the team.They can't be giving teams 4 outs like they did last year.They can't go wrong with this Matthews .Even if he were to slump at the plate,his defense is incredible.I like the signing of the set up guy(Spier) Too.Atleast somebody is thinking.Can't believe Bochy left the Padres.Cost the Angels their pitching coach.Not happy about any of that.

[pmayjr]

I don't think I'm going out on a limb when I say the Dodgers won't miss J.D. Drew. Throughout his MLB career, he's only had 1 year worthy of being the 1st overall pick in the MLB draft. Kinda reminds me of another former Dodger- Adrian Beltre lol. Drew gets hurt too much, so you guy won't miss him too much.

With Normar- if he stays healthy enough to play 135 games, he could be worth that $$$$. But that's the question. The good news for you Scuds, is there's no salary cap (yeah yeah yeah... bs luxury tax only Steinbrenner pays), and once you get past the Skanks and the Sawx, the Dodgers are a big market team that can afford to pay that kind of $$$ to a guy like Nomar and still go out and spend in free agency.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

pierre got paid how much? LOL

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Nomar-LA Dodgers 2 years $18,500,000

F'n is a huge injury risk.I need a bat to rearrange somebody's brain.

Pierre will be much bigger disappointment.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Fast Company


"Over the past four seasons, Juan Pierre has been one of the most durable players and one of baseball's most serious threats to take an extra base. Pierre's rankings from 2003-06:

Games 648 (T-1st)
Hits 810 (3rd)
Triples 45 (2nd)
Steals 225 (1st)"

Are you kidn' me? J.D. PEW does us an incredible favor by leaving.This guy is 10 times the competitor as that dung.Steve Garvey use to get over 200 hits,and not that many Home Runs,and he was by far the most valuable Dodger player in the '70s.A lot of teams wanted Pierre.If he comes anywhere close to the effort Furcal gave us,then he is worth every cent,and will play in the playoffs(and I doubt Nomar will........one tight pitch and he will pull a 3rd of the muscles in his body(trying to get out of the way.)

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Fast Company


"Over the past four seasons, Juan Pierre has been one of the most durable players and one of baseball's most serious threats to take an extra base. Pierre's rankings from 2003-06:

Games 648 (T-1st)
Hits 810 (3rd)
Triples 45 (2nd)
Steals 225 (1st)"

Are you kidn' me? J.D. PEW does us an incredible favor by leaving.This guy is 10 times the competitor as that dung.Steve Garvey use to get over 200 hits,and not that many Home Runs,and he was by far the most valuable Dodger player in the '70s.A lot of teams wanted Pierre.If he comes anywhere close to the effort Furcal gave us,then he is worth every cent,and will play in the playoffs(and I doubt Nomar will........one tight pitch and he will pull a 3rd of the muscles in his body(trying to get out of the way.)

I'm praying that Pierre is close to Furcals effort! Nomar will be in great shape, as Mia will have him on a tight regamin(sp)this winter,lol

[pmayjr]

Pierre will be a good leadoff guy for them I think. If he can hit .280, he's gonna steal 50-60 bases easy. Even if you guys have a MGR who doesn't like to steal, if you don't use Pierre for that purpose, then what was the point of signing him? So Pierre will do pretty well there I think. A large part of Pierre in Chi-town last year was the first part of the season with the Cubs. He was in a huge slump, but he played better in the 2nd half. If he gets off to a better start, he'll have a big year.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

Pierre will be a good leadoff guy for them I think. If he can hit .280, he's gonna steal 50-60 bases easy. Even if you guys have a MGR who doesn't like to steal, if you don't use Pierre for that purpose, then what was the point of signing him? So Pierre will do pretty well there I think. A large part of Pierre in Chi-town last year was the first part of the season with the Cubs. He was in a huge slump, but he played better in the 2nd half. If he gets off to a better start, he'll have a big year.

Pierre is a terrible lead off hitter. He has no power, never walks, has a mediocre sb%, plays a so-so CF. He simply is not a top player and is certainly not worth the contract that the Dodgers gave him.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pierre is a terrible lead off hitter. He has no power, never walks, has a mediocre sb%, plays a so-so CF. He simply is not a top player and is certainly not worth the contract that the Dodgers gave him.

Well,Cannon,lets be honest here.The Dodgers missed out on signing the blue chip power hitters.Drew left.Pierre stole 58 bases last year.That's 58 singles or walks(I agree mainly singles) turned into doubles.Furcal stole 38,and it seemed like 80.He got caught 13 versus 20 for Pierre.These 2 should compliment each other beautifully.They both get a lot of hits,and if the other one is on 2nd base(after stealing,) then it should work well. I wish Pierre had better power(like Furcal,) but if you get 200 hits,play 162 games,and get 58 stolen bases,then you are a valuable player.I'D SAY THAT BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF POWER,They did pay a little too much to Pierre.You have to remember that the Dodgers gave Kent 10 mil last year,and only got 14 bombs.So,we are use to guys ripping us off.Again,that was caused by injuries(played just 115 games.)I think getting a guy that plays 162 games,and gets over 200 hits is pretty valuable.Old guys with power are risky.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Well, apparently the Pads and Giants aren't gonna stand pat this winter, so the division will be harder to clinch. How about Matthews/Angels deal? If he hits leadoff,does that mean they're shopping Figgie(bad move I think).

ANYONE that gets to hit ahead of Texiera and Blaylock are going to be studs, I can't believe the Cubs signed DeBullsa and Angels forked over that cash to Mathews...

Scuds, not only are you in for an awakening with Sarge Jr, but EVEN YOU could hit .280 in front of those two guys in Texas

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Scav

ANYONE that gets to hit ahead of Texiera and Blaylock are going to be studs, I can't believe the Cubs signed DeBullsa and Angels forked over that cash to Mathews...

Scuds, not only are you in for an awakening with Sarge Jr, but EVEN YOU could hit .280 in front of those two guys in Texas

To be honest,the Halos can probably get by with him being just o,k, on offense.See the Halos need that guy making big plays in center.It is a must.Santana,Lackey,and Escobar usually have a couple innings in each start that make or break them.They typically have guys on base with an out or 2,and the ball game is usually won or lose right there.If they get a big defensive play,they can usually shut that team down late for a W.If they don't get the defensive play,they are the type of pitchers that will give up that 1 hit that will really hurt them.Defense is very important for the Halos,and they didn't get it done last year in that area of the game.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well,Cannon,lets be honest here.The Dodgers missed out on signing the blue chip power hitters.Drew left.Pierre stole 58 bases last year.That's 58 singles or walks(I agree mainly singles) turned into doubles.Furcal stole 38,and it seemed like 80.He got caught 13 versus 20 for Pierre.These 2 should compliment each other beautifully.They both get a lot of hits,and if the other one is on 2nd base(after stealing,) then it should work well. I wish Pierre had better power(like Furcal,) but if you get 200 hits,play 162 games,and get 58 stolen bases,then you are a valuable player.I'D SAY THAT BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF POWER,They did pay a little too much to Pierre.You have to remember that the Dodgers gave Kent 10 mil last year,and only got 14 bombs.So,we are use to guys ripping us off.Again,that was caused by injuries(played just 115 games.)I think getting a guy that plays 162 games,and gets over 200 hits is pretty valuable.Old guys with power are risky.

He get 195 singles, turns some of them into doubles but also turns a lot into outs. A guy on baseball prospectus put it best. He said that Pierre is a typical 70's style player, slap hitter, speed, etc. except that does not translate well into the way the modern game is played. Eventually all those 162 game seasons will start to take effect and guys who only have one asset, speed, are the ones that lose it quicker than any others. Plus his defense is mediocre and his arm is awful. If he could walk 40 times more and steal 80 bases he may be close to worth the contract despite the defense but is he really any better than Kenny Lofton for a whole lot more $$$. Not that Sarge,jr is worth what he is getting but he is a much better defensive player and has much more power than Pierre. Dodgers would have been better off holding on to the money.