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Old 11-06-2006, 03:55 PM
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Default Deceptive robo-calls this election?

Hey, have any of you been getting these? Oracle was venting a few months back about incessant, repetitive calls from the Democratic challenger, but now I'm wondering if it might not have been the Dem's camp calling him-- without knowing the complete text of the call, I wouldn't know, but this sounds similar to what he was grousing about (with reason; I hate those calls too). So, have any of you been getting these calls? I haven't gotten ANY pre-recorded calls, actually.

This is from Salon.com.

<<Are deceptive robo-calls helping Republicans turn the tide?

Mainstream media outlets are attributing the apparent tightening of the race for Congress to some combination of George W. Bush's campaign efforts, the Republican Party's efforts to inspire its base, John Kerry's Iraq blunder and plain old inevitability.

Could deceptive GOP robo-calls also be part of the explanation?

Maybe there's somebody out there who actually enjoys hearing prerecorded phone calls from politicians and their supporters. We thought it was pretty cool the first time we picked up our phone and heard Bill Clinton on the other end of the line. Hundreds of calls later, we put down the receiver as soon as we hear that telltale moment of silence that comes just before a recorded message starts to play. We've never been persuaded by a single call, but we've been annoyed by many, many, many of them.

The GOP seems to understand what's happened here. As Josh Marshall has been reporting at Talking Points Memo, the National Republican Campaign Committee appears to be using robo-calls to push voters away from Democrats in races all around the country. The tactic? Record a call that mentions the Democratic candidate right at the beginning, then load the negative stuff about the candidate into the end. If the recipient of the call listens to the full message, he or she hears a dose of negativity about the Democratic candidate. If the recipient hangs up before the message runs its course, the computer dials the same number repeatedly, leaving voters with the impression that the Democrats, not the Republicans, are the ones bombarding them with repeat calls.

Marshall has rounded up reports of such calls in congressional races in Illinois, Pennyslvania, New York and elsewhere. When Illinois' Barrington Courier-Review asked an NRCC spokesman about the repeat calls, the spokesman said there must be a problem with the contractor the Republicans hired to do the calls or with the computer that is making them. In New Hampshire, a state law makes it illegal to place political robo-calls to state residents who have signed up for the national Do Not Call registry. The NRCC -- taking the GOP's usual federalism-is-great-except-when-it-isn't stance -- says it's going to keep making robo-calls in the state regardless of what state law says. "We are a federal organization campaigning about a federal race," an NRCC spokesman tells the Boston Globe. "We feel that New Hampshire law does not apply to what we are doing." >>
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Old 11-07-2006, 10:13 AM
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Both sides are dirty and nasty. I laugh so hard when idiots complain about the one party and look the other way when their party does it.

Can we please get rid of the simple people who can't think for themselves and vote based on party.


How anybody could vote for Robert Menendez (A Democrat that is clearly a criminal) or George Allen (a Republican that is cleary a racist) is beyond me. Amazingly half the people vote for people like them because they are idiots.

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Old 11-07-2006, 10:25 AM
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Both sides are dirty and nasty. I laugh so hard when idiots complain about the one party and look the other way when their party does it.

Can we please get rid of the simple people who can't think for themselves and vote based on party.
Rev, believe it or not, I'm not trying to start a party war here; I really want to know if anyone in any of the districts this is alleged to have happened in have gotten these calls-- Oracle was complaining about getting barraged with calls a few months back, all from the Dem candidate, and I'm curious as the 19th District is one of the ones cited in this thing. But I don't know if he's in the 19th District or not.

My first reaction was "How absolutely despicable" and my second reaction was, "And awfully clever. No wonder the Repubs keep winning; they play the game better."

If you would be so kind as to post info on the Dems playing the same game (robo-calling announcing the name of the Repub candidate first before anything else), please do so. I myself am tired of simple people who dismiss any sort of crummy and potentially illegal campaign tactics, with, "Oh, both sides are crooks." What a way to eschew any sort of responsibility for the state of one's own country. Most of these people seem to be Republicans lately, which I find very interesting.

Here's more on this robo-calling thing. From conservative John Cole's website. Actual conservatives, and not partisan hacks, are spitting mad about it. As they should be.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=7577

And from Andrew Sullivan (also conservative) on Republican posters in NY:

http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/200...ven_lower.html

I lodged my first protest vote today, as I couldn't vote for Hevesi (crook) and I don't think the Republican candidate has the experience for state comptroller. Did not like being in that situation one bit. Yick.

Again, if you have stuff on dirty Dem tactics, post the links! I like being informed as much as I can.
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Old 11-07-2006, 12:49 PM
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Both sides are dirty and nasty. I laugh so hard when idiots complain about the one party and look the other way when their party does it.

Can we please get rid of the simple people who can't think for themselves and vote based on party.


How anybody could vote for Robert Menendez (A Democrat that is clearly a criminal) or George Allen (a Republican that is cleary a racist) is beyond me. Amazingly half the people vote for people like them because they are idiots.
People don't vote as much by party as you think.They vote by positions on issues that they believe in.The facts are that the 2 parties are very different on the issues that people care about.Even though you may think the Jersey Senatorial Candidates are similiar,I think one would keep voting for big tax cuts for the rich,and the other would not.I don't know if Menendez is a criminal,but I know the other guy would keep voting for the rich to get richer,and richer,and to me that is criminal.So,criminal can be in the eye of the beholder.I think people think for themselves,but their views are usually represented by one or the other party.If they aren't,then people usually aren't very familiar with the issues.If you gave me a Republican that didn't favor the rich getting richer n' richer,then I would probably vote for him.

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Old 11-08-2006, 07:03 AM
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i was a bit surprised on looking over my ballot yesterday. voted almost entirely for democrats.

i really think that we've been seeing an evolution party-wise. reps are supposed to be a party for small govt, but their actions the last few years belie that. both parties continue to evolve in many ways. would like to see a shift towards the center by both parties, but having pelosi as speaker won't help that move.
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