Why No Big Race Today at Belmont

[Exceller]

Kentucky has the Oaks, Pimlico the Pimlico Special, and Belmont gives us some garbage stakes race. NYRA couldn't do any better than this?

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

You know, I have thought about that a lot, and I definitely think that the format leading up to the Belmont Stakes should be like that of the Derby. A big race the day before starts the weekend off with a little more buzz and excitement!

Originally Posted by Exceller

Kentucky has the Oaks, Pimlico the Pimlico Special, and Belmont gives us some garbage stakes race. NYRA couldn't do any better than this?

Exceller, this is dumb. NYRA used to run the Acorn on the day before, a grade one. But they moved that to the big day this year and i like it. WHo cares about the day before? They have 3 grade one's and a grade 2 tomorrow. They just werent drawing much of a crowd the day before, so they moved the Acorn. By the way, one of those "garbage stakes races" is a grade three stakes race, the Hill Prince. The first time you win a graded stakes race with one of your horses, you will be proud as hell and crowing. So I don't really think calling a grade three race garbage is quite accurate.

[Exceller]

They used to put the Acorn there but now they give us the Hill Prince and Queen of Song stakes. Why would anyone travel there for a weekend when you get one decent day of racing.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Exceller, this is dumb. NYRA used to run the Acorn on the day before, a grade one. But they moved that to the big day this year and i like it. WHo cares about the day before? They have 3 grade one's and a grade 2 tomorrow. They just werent drawing much of a crowd the day before, so they moved the Acorn. By the way, one of those "garbage stakes races" is a grade three stakes race, the Hill Prince. The first time you win a graded stakes race with one of your horses, you will be proud as hell and crowing. So I don't really think calling a grade three race garbage is quite accurate.

Sure Kentucky Oaks, Pimlico Special and.... the Hill Prince? They don't get a crowd there because they are not good at marketing. It is NY, they can't come up with a marketing plan and a real stakes race? How about bringing in a big name band and putting a Stakes race for older horses in there. Tie it into a Friday Mets game or something. NYRA is clueless compared to the two big groups that run Churchill and Pimlico. Pimlico is a terrible track and they still pack them in on Friday before the Preakness.

Originally Posted by Exceller

They used to put the Acorn there but now they give us the Hill Prince and Queen of Song stakes. Why would anyone travel there for a weekend when you get one decent day of racing.

Well Sunday's card isnt bad either. You guys forget something, Pimlico runs NOTHING graded the rest of the ENTIRE MEET!!! They empty it all out that weekend. CD runs very few graded anything after that week as well. They have Foster day, but the weekend stakes other that than those two weekends are weak.
Belmont puts on graded stakes every weekend, and also has a spectacular July 4th weekend. WHy empty the whole thing out and screw everyone the rest of the summer? I mean what else do you suggest they run? They have a grade two sprint, a grade 1 grass race, the belmont, a grade 1 for 3yo fillies, a gade 2 for grass fillies, a graded turf race for three year old colts today, and a grade two tomorrow for 3 yo sprinters! What exactly are we missing? the only thing we are missing is an older horse race for the handicap division. Theytried that last year but since the Pim Special was only three weeks ago, the Met just two weeks ago, and the Foster approaching, who would run in it? What divisions are we missing here?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Sure Kentucky Oaks, Pimlico Special and.... the Hill Prince? They don't get a crowd there because they are not good at marketing. It is NY, they can't come up with a marketing plan and a real stakes race? How about bringing in a big name band and putting a Stakes race for older horses in there. Tie it into a Friday Mets game or something. NYRA is clueless compared to the two big groups that run Churchill and Pimlico. Pimlico is a terrible track and they still pack them in on Friday before the Preakness.

Pimlico is different in that (normally), the Kentucky Derby winner is contending for another win and a chance at the triple crown. Once the Preakness is done, the amount of people at Belmont will be largely determined on whether or not we have a triple crown contender.

Originally Posted by Exceller

Sure Kentucky Oaks, Pimlico Special and.... the Hill Prince? They don't get a crowd there because they are not good at marketing. It is NY, they can't come up with a marketing plan and a real stakes race? How about bringing in a big name band and putting a Stakes race for older horses in there. Tie it into a Friday Mets game or something. NYRA is clueless compared to the two big groups that run Churchill and Pimlico. Pimlico is a terrible track and they still pack them in on Friday before the Preakness.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah ok, wanna compare the meet longhandle at belmont with CD's? Or Pimlico? Give me a break, NYRA runs a great product for months, the other two for 2-3 days. Wanan check out handle on the three meets this year and compare numbers when they are done.
M/L odds on highets handle for meet
Belmont 1-9
CD 100-1
Pimlico- 1000000000000000-1

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Pimlico is different in that (normally), the Kentucky Derby winner is contending for another win and a chance at the triple crown. Once the Preakness is done, the amount of people at Belmont will be largely determined on whether or not we have a triple crown contender.

Not sure what your point is. If Barbaro was going for the triple crown the friday stakes race would still be the Hill Prince. That Friday is poorly marketed. They didn't get anyone there even when a TC was on the line.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Not sure what your point is. If Barbaro was going for the triple crown the friday stakes race would still be the Hill Prince. That Friday is poorly marketed. They didn't get anyone there even when a TC was on the line.

My point is... people don't come to Pimlico on Friday because of the special... they come to be around the hype. If there were hype this year, it wouldn't matter WHAT was being run today. People would be there.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah ok, wanna compare the meet longhandle at belmont with CD's? Or Pimlico? Give me a break, NYRA runs a great product for months, the other two for 2-3 days. Wanan check out handle on the three meets this year and compare numbers when they are done.
M/L odds on highets handle for meet
Belmont 1-9
CD 100-1
Pimlico- 1000000000000000-1

NYRA is on the way out. Stronach will own it in a few years and then you will see how to market. Too much corruption caught up with NYRA. You can only buy off politicians for so long.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

My point is... people don't come to Pimlico on Friday because of the special... they come to be around the hype. If there were hype this year, it wouldn't matter WHAT was being run today. People would be there.

Not true. The Friday in NY never amounted to anything and the hype for the last leg of the TC is much bigger if a horse has 2 of the 3 already won. NYRA just makes zero effort. That is why they are losing their franchise.

Originally Posted by Exceller

Not true. The Friday in NY never amounted to anything and the hype for the last leg of the TC is much bigger if a horse has 2 of the 3 already won. NYRA just makes zero effort. That is why they are losing their franchise.

Stronach has virtually no chnace of getting the franchise.
Do you know a lot about NYRA? have you researched it yourself? Or are you just listening to someone supporting the Empire group? I'm wondering how much time you have spent around NYRA tracks and how you formed the opinion on them. What are your thoughts on what they have done wrong or right? Your thoughts.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Stronach has virtually no chnace of getting the franchise.
Do you know a lot about NYRA? have you researched it yourself? Or are you just listening to someone supporting the Empire group? I'm wondering how much time you have spent around NYRA tracks and how you formed the opinion on them. What are your thoughts on what they have done wrong or right? Your thoughts.

Bill Clinton is now involved with the Stronach group and with Elliot Spitzer as NY's next governor, you can be 100% sure that they will get the franchise. Spitzer is delusional and thinks he is going to be president one day.

Originally Posted by Exceller

Bill Clinton is now involved with the Stronach group and with Elliot Spitzer as NY's next governor, you can be 100% sure that they will get the franchise. Spitzer is delusional and thinks he is going to be president one day.

Exceller you are about two years behiind the Clinton thing, for real. hes been with them for over two years. And Spitzer doesnt have the whole say. fact is, they own the land. They have 50 years of property tax bills to prove it. Some pretty shrewd legal minds have examined this and precedent tried and true in these land ownership matters is that they guys who pay teh property tax own the land. Imagine if the state had to repay 50 years of property tax with compounding interest? How many billions would that be?
In the end that dispute will cause Nyra to retain the franchise in a new structure, bringing in a gaming company to run the slots.
Lemme give you another little hint about politicos, there is nothing they like better than influence and control. They sell the franchise rights to a private interest group, and they no longer have any control over NY racing. Like THATS gonna happen.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Kentucky has the Oaks, Pimlico the Pimlico Special, and Belmont gives us some garbage stakes race. NYRA couldn't do any better than this?

The atmosphere in NY is different from that of either Kentucky or Maryland. In KY, the Oaks/Derby is a social event, it basically defines the entire region and everyone who is anyone turns out, fan or not. That's why CD can stretch 2 days out of it.

In Maryland, Pimlico is a dump, not sure if you noticed. The only graded stakes they run are on Preakness weekend and they cant fit them all in one afternoon, so they do Friday too. Go to Pimlico on some random Thursday and enjoy $17,500 claimers as the feature. It is also somewhat of a weekend event because it is a crowning acheivement for the industry in that state.

NY is totally different. NYRA runs solid cards year round, and the Belmont is much less a social event weekend like in Maryland or Kentucky just because it's NYC. There are countless things to do, especially sports wise. On any given weekend, the Mets and Yankees could both be in town, maybe playing rivals like the Braves and Red Sox? Outside of sports, there is a boat load of crap to do as well. What else are you going to do in Kentucky anyways?
Least in Maryland, you could go over to the coast or down to Baltimore.

The Belmont will only be a true event when the Triple Crown is being contested and thats fine with me.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Exceller you are about two years behiind the Clinton thing, for real. hes been with them for over two years. And Spitzer doesnt have the whole say. fact is, they own the land. They have 50 years of property tax bills to prove it. Some pretty shrewd legal minds have examined this and precedent tried and true in these land ownership matters is that they guys who pay teh property tax own the land. Imagine if the state had to repay 50 years of property tax with compounding interest? How many billions would that be?
In the end that dispute will cause Nyra to retain the franchise in a new structure, bringing in a gaming company to run the slots.
Lemme give you another little hint about politicos, there is nothing they like better than influence and control. They sell the franchise rights to a private interest group, and they no longer have any control over NY racing. Like THATS gonna happen.

Clinton has been with them for two years but NYRA had the contract. That contract is now just about up. That franchise is gone. 100% positive on that. Both NY Senators are now in with the Stronach people and the incoming governor wants Stronach to get it. Private business always wins out. The issue now is just the price they have to pay and what cut the state is going to keep of the slots. THEY DO NOT OWN THE LAND EITHER. The legislature says the state owns the land and I have a feeling the taxpayers are going to say the government owns the land too. BYE BYE NYRA. It is about time that corrupt group hit the road.

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

The atmosphere in NY is different from that of either Kentucky or Maryland. In KY, the Oaks/Derby is a social event, it basically defines the entire region and everyone who is anyone turns out, fan or not. That's why CD can stretch 2 days out of it.

In Maryland, Pimlico is a dump, not sure if you noticed. The only graded stakes they run are on Preakness weekend and they cant fit them all in one afternoon, so they do Friday too. Go to Pimlico on some random Thursday and enjoy $17,500 claimers as the feature. It is also somewhat of a weekend event because it is a crowning acheivement for the industry in that state.

NY is totally different. NYRA runs solid cards year round, and the Belmont is much less a social event weekend like in Maryland or Kentucky just because it's NYC. There are countless things to do, especially sports wise. On any given weekend, the Mets and Yankees could both be in town, maybe playing rivals like the Braves and Red Sox? Outside of sports, there is a boat load of crap to do as well. What else are you going to do in Kentucky anyways?
Least in Maryland, you could go over to the coast or down to Baltimore.

The Belmont will only be a true event when the Triple Crown is being contested and thats fine with me.

LOL!!!! Yeah, what else would you do there?

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

LOL!!!! Yeah, what else would you do there?

Plenty to do in MD/DC. Last I checked it was the nations capital.

Originally Posted by Exceller

Clinton has been with them for two years but NYRA had the contract. That contract is now just about up. That franchise is gone. 100% positive on that. Both NY Senators are now in with the Stronach people and the incoming governor wants Stronach to get it. Private business always wins out. The issue now is just the price they have to pay and what cut the state is going to keep of the slots. THEY DO NOT OWN THE LAND EITHER. The legislature says the state owns the land and I have a feeling the taxpayers are going to say the government owns the land too. BYE BYE NYRA. It is about time that corrupt group hit the road.

I see, very insightful and well thought answer. Hmm, the legislature says they won teh land? Well lemme know when the legislature has any judicial power on such matters!! LOL!! You might as well say that YOU say they own the land, lol, it would have just about the same legal validity.
Again I ask, if youaren't just parroting info that someone has given you, in say a newsletter, what are the specific gripes you have with NYRA and they way they have treated horseman and customers? What problems do you have with the facilities themselves, and the prices of things. ANy problems with stall allocations? I was hoping you might have something of interest to add to the conversation in terms of specific things you have a problem with.
All I'm hearing is rhetoric that certain folks associated with teh factions trying to get control spout all the time.