luka$$ fading

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

normally i dont wish bad fortune on people but when it comes to d wayne i wont cry when it comes his way. in a horrible slump at both churchill and arlington and the last few years he hasnt come any near producing hall of fame numbers. hes getting clients on past reputation and success but i suspect it wont last too much longer for this self centered, limelight craving, run em into the ground AHOLE. its way past his time but hes too blind and his ego is too huge to realize that

[irishtrekker]

Agreed, playa. I've disliked the guy since I was about 12, when he made his first impression on me by having a few horses break down that year...sorry to say it, but I'm glad he's on his way out - I know he's good and wins races and yadda yadda, but, to me, how he wins negates the number of times he wins.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

some of his moves in his recent years have been beyond mind boggling. a couple locally here in chicago were having ct lang ride all of his stock LMFAO who didnt ride a winner the entire meet that year outta like 50 something tries, another was sending out a half a million dollar purchase in for a 50k mcl tag first out

[Scav]

I will tell you how I ABSOLUTELY LOVE how all his horses take action at Arlington...I have tossed every single one...Has he even hit the board yet here?

This guys has been terrible for the sport for years. The only reason he ever did anything is because he tricked every owner out there into thinking he was the greatest. They would go and buy any horse that he wanted for him. If the horse wasn't looking like a stakes winner right out of the gate, he ignored them. If a horse was good enough for stakes company, he'd run them into ground until they broke down. What did he care, he had more horse waiting in the wings.

He had Charismatic running in a Maiden claimer, because he had already given up on him. His assistants had to convince him to keep the horse. I obvioulsy don't need to mention how many great horses he has killed.

I don't feel on drop of sympathy for this guy. CARMA IS A BITCH!!!!!!!!!

[Pointg5]

He's having an awful Churchill meet, but you guys must have short memories, last time I checked, he won a Breeders Cup race last year...

[Scav]

What horse has come out of that race? I am just thinking off the top of my head, but not many have come out of it....I agree with you though but that race was kinda weak...

For the record I could be completely wrong about this, I am at work and I can't look it up right now, but I don't think much came out of it

yeah hes in 70's, and hes only trained 27 champions and a ziilion tri corwon races and breeders cup champs. What a clown huh.
Playa you are absolutely brain dead when you bash this guy. You may worship jocks like Antley, but Lukas' commenst were taken completely out of context about him. They got a hold of the whole interview and the guy left out the parts about Luaks praising him as well. Whatever, the guy reinvented training as we know it, shipping to all spots, etc.
Henning, Bradshaw, Barnett, Maker, McLaughlin, Stewart, and Pletcher all went to D Wayne U. Obviously the guy isnt only a trainer but a teacher as well. His lasting impression on this game and in the record books will forever be felt and his legacy will live on through Pletcher and others. The last 12 years have been real hard on the guy. His son was his best friend as well, and had that accident not occurred, his son would be where Todd is. Jeff was one of the best young horsemen who ever graced this earth. Lukas has lived the last 12 years watching this once brilliant guy, his son, go through hell in a reduced state. Hes lost his family, everything, and every day D Wayne must rise and think what if???? Tabsco cat hadnt got loose. AT this stage in his 70's D Wayne would re retired, with jeff running the show while he was an agent. For whatever sins D Wayne committed, hes paid the price, and then some. But I guess because some jock(whose work ethic and private life he questioned, who later DIED OVER DRUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) was spoken about by him, he should be hated instead of revered as what he is, a brilliant trainer who holds the records. 27 champions, good luck seeing that in our lifetime!!!!

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

im well aware of his past and his accomplishments but brilliant he is no longer and thats pretty evident. how much money has he flushed away for his owners down the toilet the last 5 years? its not exactly what he said but the timing of it about antley more than anything disgusts me, his personal agenda clearly was laid out then. tell me just what purpose did it serve running TCAS in the derby or his stablemate in the belmont that year, god forbid if d wayne is outta the spotlight for 5 seconds, to him being in the spotlight is more than worth running 1 into the ground

[alysheba4]

yeah, i had kind of forgot about jeff........ that situation is a tough as it gets.
oracle, can he function on his own???

Originally Posted by alysheba4

yeah, i had kind of forgot about jeff........ that situation is a tough as it gets.
oracle, can he function on his own???

I don't know Mr Lukas well, only enough to say hello to. When i was younger I botherd Jeff with questions up here at saratoga and he always answered them. This was a brilliant handsome guy with work ethic of his dad.
I always ask him about Jeff when I see him, which isnt often. His horse was in teh next stall to WOnder lady in the Oaks and i asked about Jeff. He said hes frustarted and its hard. In other words hes just smart enough to know how smart he was and what kind of life he had. he cant train or function well enough to work. Anyone who ever knew the guy will tear up when they hear that. No matter how bad any of you think you ever have it, you oughta think about Jeff and consider yourselves lucky.

[Danzig]

no one stays on top forever, no athlete, no trainer, no jock, no horse. everyone knows that. why lukas gets singled out is beyond me--altho there is a share of baffert bashers around as well.
lukas hit it big, and stayed big for a while. maybe that has something to do with it. his success speaks for itself. his legacy lives on in the trainers he taught, including pletcher. to dig at a man who is past his prime is ridiculous. it happens to ALL of us, only not all of us have to slide downhill in the public eye.
as for a half million dollar purchase running in a claimer, lots of high price horses do squat. ap indy is an incredible rarity, having earned more in purse money than they spent on him. do you know how seldom that happens?

lukas is arguably one of the BEST trainers of all time. tc wins, eclipses, bc wins. everyone would like to do half as well, that would be quite an accomplishment.

as for antley, he was a POS. timing, shmiming. he ditched an expectant wife, he sure as hell didn't care about timing!! chose drugs over his own soon to be born child. no tears lost for that guy.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

no one stays on top forever, no athlete, no trainer, no jock, no horse. everyone knows that. why lukas gets singled out is beyond me--altho there is a share of baffert bashers around as well.
lukas hit it big, and stayed big for a while. maybe that has something to do with it. his success speaks for itself. his legacy lives on in the trainers he taught, including pletcher. to dig at a man who is past his prime is ridiculous. it happens to ALL of us, only not all of us have to slide downhill in the public eye.
as for a half million dollar purchase running in a claimer, lots of high price horses do squat. ap indy is an incredible rarity, having earned more in purse money than they spent on him. do you know how seldom that happens?

lukas is arguably one of the BEST trainers of all time. tc wins, eclipses, bc wins. everyone would like to do half as well, that would be quite an accomplishment.

as for antley, he was a POS. timing, shmiming. he ditched an expectant wife, he sure as hell didn't care about timing!! chose drugs over his own soon to be born child. no tears lost for that guy.

Zieg,
these are the same kinda guys who would say Jordan sucks if he laced em up and played an NBA game. I know thats a physical game and training is mostly mental. But his legendary hours and traveling are hard for a guy his age to keep up. Hes in the twilight, no doubt. But the bashing of a legend is hard for me to take. 27 champions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Danzig]

it's odd, i was never a lukas fan...yet the last couple years i've been forced to defend the guy--as if his accomplishments require defending.

Me too Zieg. I just think the guy who has such high moral ground abot selling info should take a look in the mirror when he writes things like not being upset when bad fortune comes his way. Incredible, do you really think that D wayne considers this bad fortune compared to what happened to Jeff? I'm pretty sure going cold at Arlington and CD really aren't up there in his list of things that have occurred in his life that he considers bad fortune.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

no one stays on top forever, no athlete, no trainer, no jock, no horse. everyone knows that. why lukas gets singled out is beyond me--altho there is a share of baffert bashers around as well.
lukas hit it big, and stayed big for a while. maybe that has something to do with it. his success speaks for itself. his legacy lives on in the trainers he taught, including pletcher. to dig at a man who is past his prime is ridiculous. it happens to ALL of us, only not all of us have to slide downhill in the public eye.
as for a half million dollar purchase running in a claimer, lots of high price horses do squat. ap indy is an incredible rarity, having earned more in purse money than they spent on him. do you know how seldom that happens?

lukas is arguably one of the BEST trainers of all time. tc wins, eclipses, bc wins. everyone would like to do half as well, that would be quite an accomplishment.

as for antley, he was a POS. timing, shmiming. he ditched an expectant wife, he sure as hell didn't care about timing!! chose drugs over his own soon to be born child. no tears lost for that guy.

So well said!
I have nothing against him other than imho, he wasted some pretty good horses.
I only passed him once, at Belmont, when he was leading back his horse (had just won the 7th) on the walking path when Jim J was leading Thomas John over for the Belmont Stakes...the one where Real Quiet got moved too early by Kent D and Victory Gallop got the head bob.
His barn #3 is well decorated with his accomplishments. And he has certainly educated many.
Two of my favorite "old timers" though are GREAT horse men...H Allen J, and Shug.

DTS

Originally Posted by monipenny

Absolutely agree with Oracle on this one that Lukas re-defined the horse industry with shipping and getting clients to pay top dollar for horses. Do you think a intelligent man like Eugene Klein would be dooped into buying millions worth of horses to train if D Wayne wasn't good at what he did. Yes Lukas is engaging and personable, but his work ethic and commitment to excellence was beyond reproach. That is what every horsemen that has worked for him has taken with them and they are all better for it. I must say I too have met Lukas firsthand when he spoke at Canterrbury Park and I approached the man to congratulate him on training the future Breeders Cup Sprint horse ( he laughed and said who that might be and of course being arrogant and cocky that I am said the Indiana Derby winner- Orientate.) This man broke down in the interview describing the accident with Tabasco Cat and his son jeff, he shed tears openly and honestly for all to see- so if he doesn't have a heart then i guess i don't have one either.

yeah but he talked badly about a ride a jockey who died from drugs (before he did), gave, so he doesnt have a heart. lol

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

So well said!
I have nothing against him other than imho, he wasted some pretty good horses.
I only passed him once, at Belmont, when he was leading back his horse (had just won the 7th) on the walking path when Jim J was leading Thomas John over for the Belmont Stakes...the one where Real Quiet got moved too early by Kent D and Victory Gallop got the head bob.
His barn #3 is well decorated with his accomplishments. And he has certainly educated many.
Two of my favorite "old timers" though are GREAT horse men...H Allen J, and Shug.

DTS

every trainer has lost horses in their career. only some get roasted over a slow fire when it happens to them. just imagine if dwl was the trainer of horatio nelson, rather than obrien!! but if everyone would just think, rather than post off the handle...put yourself in their shoes. who here wishes they were matz after the derby, but wouldn't trade spots with him at pimlico? all trainers go thru this...only lukas is scrutinized so unendingly.
it seems some trainers are chosen to be hated, while others get a pass even tho they lose a horse, or are arrogant (ahem, frankel...).
lukas was always his own man, and did a lot his own way, and kind of stepped on some toes on his way up, because he was different. as they say, better dead than different. but the thing is, his methods worked. obviously. yet the poison remains. i remember when landaluce took ill and died, he was crucified by so many....yet no one who pointed fingers at him, claiming he killed her, want to know that he was in her stall, her head in his lap, crying when she died. nope, that doesn't quite fit for some.

[Danzig]

and dts, i also like shug. had he never done anything other than trained personal ensign, that would still have been enough!

[Crown@club]

Everybody runs there course. Heck they they wanted Paterno out of Penn State for a few years recently. What happened? He had a great season. Where was the talk from before. It happens every year with everyone.

Can we get rid of this thread? Let me re-state this. This thread actually has some good comments.

But can we get the Title change.

At least change it to Lukas Fading! This board shouldn't allow such titles.