MARKETING CONVERSATIONS: 2 interesting pieces

Kasept · #1 05-25-2011, 10:19 AM

Paulick with Kegasus Ad Agency:
http://www.paulickreport.com/feature...ns-of-kegasus/

Pull the Pocket blog on Positioning of racing from advertising standpoint:
http://pullthepocket.blogspot.com/20...ng-racing.html

Gate Dancer · #2 05-25-2011, 01:09 PM

Absolutely brilliant analysis on the Positioning Racing article. Play up the intelectual challenge and subsequent pride in picking a winner unlike the mindless pulling of a lever or punching of buttons. This was a great piece.

hockey2315 · #3 05-25-2011, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gate Dancer

Absolutely brilliant analysis on the Positioning Racing article. Play up the intelectual challenge and subsequent pride in picking a winner unlike the mindless pulling of a lever or punching of buttons. This was a great piece.

Ya that was good. . . I made some of the same points on the TDN blog a while ago.

jms62 · #4 05-25-2011, 01:34 PM

How true is this statement, racing still acts like it is 1965.

"n another piece of fine marketing writing, the authors wrote, "Success often leads to arrogance, and arrogance to failure." Racing was once successful; people flocked to the track by the millions to watch and bet racing. But it was built on a house of cards. Patrons were not there because they loved us or that we were doing everything right, they were there because there was nowhere else to go. We were a monopoly and we lived the high life that often comes with being one, and that did breed arrogance. Because of this, I believe we have erroneously decided that racing's loss of market share is not our problem, but the problem of the general public, for not seeing us like they used to. The reality is that they never saw us like we think they did. And that is our problem, not our customers'."

asudevil · #5 05-25-2011, 03:10 PM

The campaigns were controversial and edgy, which, of course meant they were widely criticized in the stodgy world of Thoroughbred racing.

This is good stuff!

Rootdog1 · #6 05-25-2011, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gate Dancer

Absolutely brilliant analysis on the Positioning Racing article. Play up the intelectual challenge and subsequent pride in picking a winner unlike the mindless pulling of a lever or punching of buttons. This was a great piece.

Exactly. The challenge is to solve the puzzle, specially with multi-race wagers. It needs to communicated as an analytical contest, with financial rewards.

Dahoss · #7 05-25-2011, 10:12 PM

Until horse racing accepts what it is, it's not going to change. Gamblers know what drives the sport, but you'd never know that if you watched the NBC telecast of the Preakness this past weekend.

Rootdog1 · #8 05-25-2011, 10:36 PM

Thats old school.....its not just gamblers. What is the perception of gamblers? Its an analytical game which involves money. And this doesnt include people who could be fans based on the love of amazing animals. You want to be right just as much as you want to win money...at least I do. BTW, I agree with your point about what drives the sport, my comments are regarding the marketing of the sport. Marketing it as a lottery does not work. What I have experienced is new people enter into the sport, dont understand how to analyze a race and lose money, and in turn stop supporting racing. That is what you get when you market gambling to people who have no idea how to solve the puzzle.

Dahoss · #9 05-25-2011, 11:18 PM

I agree. Teaching people how to solve the puzzle would be a lot better than giving them fluff pieces about trainers. Showing people how to handicap a race and then in turn showing them the reward for picking the winner would do wonders.

Unfortunately that doesn't happen now and it probably won't ever.

dalakhani · #10 05-25-2011, 11:22 PM

How does Churchill Downs get 38,000 plus people on a saturday night with no significant stake race?

Whatever they did, it worked. Why can't this be mimicked?

dalakhani · #11 05-25-2011, 11:33 PM

For the record, I think what the author is proposing in the positioning article is silly.

You aren't going to get people in the door by telling them they have to learn something new and solve puzzles while risking money. Sure, once you get people in the door, you can find some of them that will become players but the problem for the most part is getting people to actually come to track. And we do this by telling them that they will solve puzzles while the track takes 25% of what they bet? Good luck with that one.

Fewer days, more horses in a nicer setting with greater entertainment bang. Going to the track needs to be an event with racing being part of the package.

What did Churchill do differently to draw 38k?

Cannon Shell · #12 05-26-2011, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

How does Churchill Downs get 38,000 plus people on a saturday night with no significant stake race?

Whatever they did, it worked. Why can't this be mimicked?

It was sold as an unique event in a horse racing friendly town with very little going on at a popular venue that lies right next to a big university. It has a lot more to do with the demographics of the city than horse racing. Hell if they just had a big party there with no racing they would still get 25k people.

Cannon Shell · #13 05-26-2011, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

For the record, I think what the author is proposing in the positioning article is silly.

You aren't going to get people in the door by telling them they have to learn something new and solve puzzles while risking money. Sure, once you get people in the door, you can find some of them that will become players but the problem for the most part is getting people to actually come to track. And we do this by telling them that they will solve puzzles while the track takes 25% of what they bet? Good luck with that one.

Fewer days, more horses in a nicer setting with greater entertainment bang. Going to the track needs to be an event with racing being part of the package.

What did Churchill do differently to draw 38k?

I still can't understand why people dont understand why this won't work?

The appeal of horse racing should be that you can make money at it. That if you work hard enough at it you can figure out the puzzle and be financially rewarded. All this other stuff is fluff.

Trying to create an atmosphere where every racing day is an event outside of Saratoga or maybe Keeneland or Del Mar is pretty much impossible. Not to mention that most tracks heavily depend on simulcasting which will always be hard to make sexy. Too often when we talk about big picture ideas in racing we forget that the majority of racing is not Saturday at Saratoga.

The game needs to attract people smart enough to appreciate and relish the challenge of handicapping and greedy enough to keep coming back.

Cannon Shell · #14 05-26-2011, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

I agree. Teaching people how to solve the puzzle would be a lot better than giving them fluff pieces about trainers. Showing people how to handicap a race and then in turn showing them the reward for picking the winner would do wonders.

Unfortunately that doesn't happen now and it probably won't ever.

Horse racing doesn't control the content of NBC's show. NBC does the same thing with the Olympics. They sell human interest crap to attract women viewers. It is the reason that things like figure skating which is more reality TV with Russian judges than sport get top billing.

They probably actually think they are catering to gamblers by giving the odds a few times and telling us who Mike Battaglia likes.

dalakhani · #15 05-26-2011, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It was sold as an unique event in a horse racing friendly town with very little going on at a popular venue that lies right next to a big university. It has a lot more to do with the demographics of the city than horse racing. Hell if they just had a big party there with no racing they would still get 25k people.

Maybe you are on to something here Chuckers. Is Louisville any more "horse racing friendly" than say NYC? And even if it is, the sheer size of the urban venues could easily create the same gate if sold the right way.

Handle was up over 25% year over year not to mention rev from concessions.

dalakhani · #16 05-26-2011, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I still can't understand why people dont understand why this won't work?

The appeal of horse racing should be that you can make money at it. That if you work hard enough at it you can figure out the puzzle and be financially rewarded. All this other stuff is fluff.

Trying to create an atmosphere where every racing day is an event outside of Saratoga or maybe Keeneland or Del Mar is pretty much impossible. Not to mention that most tracks heavily depend on simulcasting which will always be hard to make sexy. Too often when we talk about big picture ideas in racing we forget that the majority of racing is not Saturday at Saratoga.

The game needs to attract people smart enough to appreciate and relish the challenge of handicapping and greedy enough to keep coming back.

This outmoded thinking is exactly why the sport is going in the toilet. Why is it impossible to create a festive atmosphere in places other than the ones that have already done it? I fail to understand why people think the present course will actually work.

You aren't going to get enough SMART people that are DUMB enough to bet horses regularly...certainly not if your means of attracting them is by pitching this silly puzzle thing.

The places you named, as well as downs after dark, do well because they sell it as an event as well as an image. The image of high society with things that appeal outside of racing and gambling. I agree that the backbone is still the gambler but in order to attract new ones you have to change the perception of the track being a seedy place where a bunch of degenerate losers and nursing homers go to waste their lives away.

Vegas didn't get you in by selling you the gambling. They sold the party and lifestyle.

Rootdog1 · #17 05-26-2011, 08:08 AM

well, we agree to disagree. Saying its a party is not a true sustainable model....sorry, it just isnt. Might work for 4 Friday nights a year.

dalakhani · #18 05-26-2011, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rootdog1

well, we agree to disagree. Saying its a party is not a true sustainable model....sorry, it just isnt. Might work for 4 Friday nights a year.

And the "puzzle" thing is sustainable?

"hey, smart guy! Yes, you. Come on down to pimlico and give the house 25% so that you can get your windows washed by the crackhead and solve some puzzles for money. You may feel like you're in a penitentiary and you may have to dodge a few rats but this is what smart guys do!"

Yes, certainly sustainable. I stand corrected.

dalakhani · #19 05-26-2011, 08:19 AM

I almost forgot the second part of the ad, the one geared toward the smart women out there:

"Hey, smart girl! Yes, you. Come on out to Pimlico and sit in a smelly smoke filled room where you can give the house 25% to help pay for the security guard to escort you out when you leave. On some days, maybe there might actually be another girl or two under the age of 70 that are here because they are smart and they like to solve puzzles. Why in God's name would you want to go to a bar or a mall or a restaurant or a show when you could be down here being eye groped?"

I apologize to all. The puzzle idea rocks!

dalakhani · #20 05-26-2011, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rootdog1

well, we agree to disagree. Saying its a party is not a true sustainable model....sorry, it just isnt. Might work for 4 Friday nights a year.

Seriously, its only sustainable at Keeneland, Saratoga, del mar and now churchill downs?

Why would it not be sustainable anywhere else? And why couldn't it help to draw more fans for the days that it wasn't a "party"?