Stimulus jobs certainly do exist

[Riot]

Stimulus jobs exist, even right here in the home of Sen. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. 3000 people turned out today for 100 "well-paying" jobs, to work some local short-line railroad construction projects, courtesy of federal "shovel ready" stimulus funds

[timmgirvan]

...speaking of "shovel-ready", you're in the wrong line of work!

[randallscott35]

Thank God for Obama, what we do if we didn't have a 30 to 1 ratio of people looking to actual jobs available.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Thank God for Obama, what we do if we didn't have a 30 to 1 ratio of people looking to actual jobs available.

short term jobs at that

[Riot]

What would we do if we didn't have a 30 to 1 ratio of people looking to actual jobs available?

Maybe have a 40 to 1 ratio? We'd definitely have 100 more people still unemployed in Lexington. Rather than now employed in well-paying jobs that get them off the unemployment rolls.

Yeah, that's worthy of disparagement!

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

short term jobs at that

A year plus, with 1/3 of them permanent hires. Probably better we didn't have these stimulus jobs available at all, right?

You guys are hilarious.

[Riot]

When raw anger at government turns violent

CALVIN WOODWARD and EILEEN SULLIVAN | March 5, 2010 08:54 PM EST | AP

WASHINGTON — The river of discontent running through America turned toxic in the fevered mind of the Pentagon shooter and others of his ilk. In a culture awash in conspiracy theories and raw anger at government, they are lone wolves who find a sense of community for their hate – yet act alone.

They are, in some ways, more unsettling than organized and trained terrorists because they come from us.

Their diatribes and smoldering grievances are familiar and homegrown. For the Texan who steered a small plane into IRS offices last month, it was taxes. For the Nevadan who shot at a courthouse in January, it was his Social Security.

In these times, disgust with authority – a president, a tax law, a health plan, one political party or both – comes with a hard-edged hallelujah chorus.

Few kill. But many rant.

The litany that made accused Pentagon attacker John Patrick Bedell smolder and rant is varied, and still coming to light. His history was one of mental illness, not fringe-group agitation.

In an Internet posting, Bedell had suggested an act like the 2001 terrorist attacks could have been the work of a criminal organization controlling the U.S. government, accepting a "sacrifice of thousands of its citizens ... as a small cost in order to perpetuate its barbaric control."

His poisonous view of the government appears well out on the extreme – until you see what some people close to the center of power are saying these days.

"America is teetering towards tyranny," Republican Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina told the Conservative Political Action Conference last month. He accused the governing Democrats of peddling socialist policies "that have been the enemy of freedom for centuries all over the world."

Republicans have been branding Democratic policies as some form of socialism for generations, par for the course.

But tyranny? America has real issues with that – it violently overthrew that enemy at the start.

However outrageous the notion that the government would sacrifice its citizens "as a small cost," it's not limited to warped malcontents.

It was California Democratic Rep. Pete Stark who said, late in the Bush administration, that Republicans want to spend money "to blow up innocent people – if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president's amusement."

Multiply rhetoric like that and you have the new public square, swarming with bloggers and broadcasters reaching for the provocative and feeding the grievances of the like-minded.

Altogether it's a rage against the machine. Activists such as the tea party movement tap that rage for political and policy ends – stopping the health overhaul, getting supportive politicians elected.

But it's surely not been lost on the lone wolves, whether it fuels their acts or not.

The Pentagon gunman, who wounded two police officers and was himself shot to death, joins two other men with anti-government sentiments who have attacked the government since the beginning of the year.

Just last month, Joseph Stack flew his small plane into an Austin, Texas, IRS building. In his online turn on the public square, Stack had railed about U.S. tax laws.

In January, a Nevada man, Johnny Lee Wicks, fired shots at a Las Vegas courthouse, killing a security guard and being shot to death soon after. Wicks was angry about losing a lawsuit challenging a cut in his Social Security benefits.

All three men appeared to have acted alone, without ties to the militia or patriot groups that gained traction in the early and mid-1990s.

That was another era of rising anti-government sentiment and a decade marked by the domestic terrorism of Timothy McVeigh, who in 1995 blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City and killed 168 people.

Mark Potok, co-director of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which published a report that listed 363 new patriot groups that appeared in 2009, said the Pentagon shooter does not fit the profile of radical organizations.

Not an activist himself, Bedell appeared to be one who absorbed the ideas of those groups and twisted them to his own ends, Potok said.

Oddball ideas alone are no red flag. True, Bedell subscribed to conspiracy theories about "the September 11 demolitions."

But Debra Medina, too, said last month there were "some very good arguments" for believing the U.S. was involved in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. And she won 19 percent of the votes in Tuesday's Texas Republican primary for governor.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Maybe have a 40 to 1 ratio? We'd definitely have 100 more people still unemployed in Lexington. Rather than now employed in well-paying jobs that get them off the unemployment rolls.

Yeah, that's worthy of disparagement!



A year plus, with 1/3 of them permanent hires. Probably better we didn't have these stimulus jobs available at all, right?

You guys are hilarious.

As usual you take the low road. While it is nice that these 100 people got jobs and that 33 of them may actually have a job this time next year, you make this out like so kind of huge achievement. There are tens of millions without jobs, this is 33 full time jobs. What exactly does this prove?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

As usual you take the low road. While it is nice that these 100 people got jobs and that 33 of them may actually have a job this time next year, you make this out like so kind of huge achievement. There are tens of millions without jobs, this is 33 full time jobs. What exactly does this prove?

it proves that , nah better not say it chuck

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

As usual you take the low road. While it is nice that these 100 people got jobs and that 33 of them may actually have a job this time next year, you make this out like so kind of huge achievement. There are tens of millions without jobs, this is 33 full time jobs. What exactly does this prove?

I "take the low road"? What a load of nonsense. I didn't say it was a "huge achievement". It was posted in response to the people here that say - repeatedly - the stimulus didn't create any jobs. Yeah. It did. And continues to.

Geeshus, you Obama-haters are thin and pathetic in your attacks

[Danzig]

i wonder what the ratio is of $ vs jobs actually created at this point....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I "take the low road"? What a load of nonsense. I didn't say it was a "huge achievement". It was posted in response to the people here that say - repeatedly - the stimulus didn't create any jobs. Yeah. It did. And continues to.

Geeshus, you Obama-haters are thin and pathetic in your attacks

Attacks? You seem to be the one attacking. My referring to the "low road" is how you seem incredulous that we would dare challenge you or Obama. Only someone looking for a fight would literally post short term jobs created by the stimulus. Your guy spent $800 billion dollars. Bragging about a few residual jobs created, especially when so many of them are temporary, is petty.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i wonder what the ratio is of $ vs jobs actually created at this point....

Only about 1/3 of the funds have been disbursed so far (more to come this year, next) so you'd have to look at the website for this at .gov

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Only about 1/3 of the funds have been disbursed so far (more to come this year, next) so you'd have to look at the website for this at .gov

Under the obama Presidency a lot of numbers found at .gov websites have been fictional

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Attacks? You seem to be the one attacking. My referring to the "low road" is how you seem incredulous that we would dare challenge you or Obama. Only someone looking for a fight would literally post short term jobs created by the stimulus. Your guy spent $800 billion dollars. Bragging about a few residual jobs created, especially when so many of them are temporary, is petty.

ROFLMAO. Yeah, you keep trying that spin, Chuck

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Under the obama Presidency a lot of numbers found at .gov websites have been fictional

Actually no, only a few were, and they were not posted by the White House to the site, but by States.

Reality must really kill you ultra cons.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Riot

Only about 1/3 of the funds have been disbursed so far (more to come this year, next) so you'd have to look at the website for this at .gov

why not dusburse the $ to the american people know riot , we need help

what are they waiting for

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

ROFLMAO. Yeah, you keep trying that spin, Chuck

Yeah spin. right. It wasnt me who started this petty thread. It isnt me who acts as though the stimulus has saved the world and continues to ignore the reality of 10% unemployment. It isnt me who started the "personal" attacks in this ridiclous thread.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Actually no, only a few were, and they were not posted by the White House to the site, but by States.

Reality must really kill you ultra cons.

Need I say more...

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah spin. right. It wasnt me who started this petty thread. It isnt me who acts as though the stimulus has saved the world and continues to ignore the reality of 10% unemployment. It isnt me who started the "personal" attacks in this ridiclous thread.

10% chuck , you are being very conservative

[Danzig]

http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/30/news...ated/index.htm


i found this article, from dec 1...


The largest stimulus program in the nation's history has created or saved just over 640,000 jobs, the Obama administration said Friday.

Based on $159 billion in spending from the $787 billion recovery package, the tally is the first broad, concrete look at the stimulus program's impact on the economy. The numbers are drawn from 57,000 reports from state and local recipients and include as many as 30,000 jobs from private companies.

that's a pretty good amount isn't it?



til you do the math.



Friday's numbers were quickly used by both Democrats and Republicans to further their arguments about the value of stimulus. Each job cost $248,000 to create.


i added the money left to be spent, and then subtracted jobs created thus far. i come up with $125k per job left to be created. awesome.