Wiz-mavs trade completed

[dalakhani]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wiz...l?hpid=artslot

Mavs get Caron Butler, Brendan Heywood and deshawn Stevenson for Josh Howard, Drew Gooden and change.

Saves 15 million next season and gives another couple million relief for this year.

[somerfrost]

Good trade for Mavs, Butler better than Howard and Heywood and Stevenson give them added toughness!

[-BT-]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns


another blockbuster

from: butler, jamisson, stevenson, heywood
to: Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Emir Preldzic (rights), Josh Howard, Al Thornton, and the cavs first rounder which will prob. be in the bottom 5 of the 1st round.

***And they just sent Drew Gooden to LAC to get bought out

at least we have the caps

-bt-

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by -BT-

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns


another blockbuster

from: butler, jamisson, stevenson, heywood
to: Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Emir Preldzic (rights), Josh Howard, Al Thornton, and the cavs first rounder which will prob. be in the bottom 5 of the 1st round.

***And they just sent Drew Gooden to LAC to get bought out

at least we have the caps

-bt-

Kentucky or Kansas could compete with the Wiz now... lol

[Cannon Shell]

I cant kill them. Jamison is 34 and had 28 million/2 years left. Butler and Howard are very similar players. They were going nowhere with these guys and at least they have cap space to try to put something together this summer.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I cant kill them. Jamison is 34 and had 28 million/2 years left. Butler and Howard are very similar players. They were going nowhere with these guys and at least they have cap space to try to put something together this summer.

They arent going to get anywhere this summer. Until Leonsis officially buys the team, the wiz are in limbo. These moves were pure salary dumps. Howard's next year is a team option so basically it is expiring.

The jamison trade was impressive in the sense that they actually got a young player and a draft pick out of it when it was no secret the goal was simply to get under the luxury tax threshold regardless of whatever smoke ernie was throwing out there.

Contrary to popular belief and barring something shocking, the wiz are married to gilbert. He has 80 million due and you just can't buy out of contracts like that.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

They arent going to get anywhere this summer. Until Leonsis officially buys the team, the wiz are in limbo. These moves were pure salary dumps. Howard's next year is a team option so basically it is expiring.

The jamison trade was impressive in the sense that they actually got a young player and a draft pick out of it when it was no secret the goal was simply to get under the luxury tax threshold regardless of whatever smoke ernie was throwing out there.

Contrary to popular belief and barring something shocking, the wiz are married to gilbert. He has 80 million due and you just can't buy out of contracts like that.

They have to do something

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They have to do something

I agree in 9 out of 10 cases but in a situation where ownership is changing there really isnt much you can do. No matter what they do, 20 million in cap is going to gilbert. They arent getting Amare, joe johnson, lebron, wade or bosh anyway so the point is rather moot. Ernie would be handcuffed even if one of those guys wanted to come to DC. Once Leonsis takes over, you will see a different deal with the wizards. The first thing to go will be Ernie's head.

A ticket guy called us the other day and offered us per game boxes at a ridiculously low price. Yes, it is getting desperate.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I agree in 9 out of 10 cases but in a situation where ownership is changing there really isnt much you can do. No matter what they do, 20 million in cap is going to gilbert. They arent getting Amare, joe johnson, lebron, wade or bosh anyway so the point is rather moot. Ernie would be handcuffed even if one of those guys wanted to come to DC. Once Leonsis takes over, you will see a different deal with the wizards. The first thing to go will be Ernie's head.

A ticket guy called us the other day and offered us per game boxes at a ridiculously low price. Yes, it is getting desperate.

A lot of teams are desperate. I went to 2 Heat games this year and they sent me 2 freebies for the Rockets game for paying face for the others.

They arent getting a high profile guy but they need to sign some complimentary guys to begin the rebuilding process. There are some good players that will be available for bargin prices.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

A lot of teams are desperate. I went to 2 Heat games this year and they sent me 2 freebies for the Rockets game for paying face for the others.

They arent getting a high profile guy but they need to sign some complimentary guys to begin the rebuilding process. There are some good players that will be available for bargin prices.

I agree and the plan is rather obvious whether they like it or not. Did you read what Ernie said today about Gilbert? The writing was on the wall when Gil wrote the op-ed a few weeks ago.

I have to take a look at the free agent list. The hard cap that is being proposed is going to change the game. For once, I have to agree with Stern. The finances of the game are what they are and the days of people shelling out 100 bucks for seats behind the backboard on mediocre teams are done.

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I agree in 9 out of 10 cases but in a situation where ownership is changing there really isnt much you can do. No matter what they do, 20 million in cap is going to gilbert. They arent getting Amare, joe johnson, lebron, wade or bosh anyway so the point is rather moot. Ernie would be handcuffed even if one of those guys wanted to come to DC. Once Leonsis takes over, you will see a different deal with the wizards. The first thing to go will be Ernie's head.

A ticket guy called us the other day and offered us per game boxes at a ridiculously low price. Yes, it is getting desperate.

look what they went from 2 years ago, to their rooster now. Playoff contender to a sold off team. Gil is a POS, plain and simple. People wanted Ernie's head when he signed him to that ridiculous contract in the first place. Obviously all these trades did was free up cap space, all the humans they got are spare parts and one way or another there was a reason they got traded, they get younger though? They have the "rights" to a foreign player, crapshoot, a basement 1st rounder from the cavs, howard ugh... and thornton might be the only keeper in the bunch (didn’t even mention Big Z, well, b/c he’s Big Z).
You're not gonna attract ANY high profile FA's, who wants to come to DC and play for a franchise that’s in transition and their best player is either suspended or hurt for the majority... of EVERY year. they're gonna have to build from the draft, which is gonna take years. I agree once ted gets his foot in the door its gonna be a fire sale at first, he's probably gonna clean house like he did with the caps, so the wiz are on the 3-5 year plan as i see it.

It’s amazing how wiz tickets are now given away, go to a game on a friday night there, place is half filled at best. On the flip side, you have to give your first born for caps tickets, 3 years ago it was the exact opposite

-bt-

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by -BT-

look what they went from 2 years ago, to their rooster now. Playoff contender to a sold off team. Gil is a POS, plain and simple. People wanted Ernie's head when he signed him to that ridiculous contract in the first place. Obviously all these trades did was free up cap space, all the humans they got are spare parts and one way or another there was a reason they got traded, they get younger though? They have the "rights" to a foreign player, crapshoot, a basement 1st rounder from the cavs, howard ugh... and thornton might be the only keeper in the bunch (didn’t even mention Big Z, well, b/c he’s Big Z).
You're not gonna attract ANY high profile FA's, who wants to come to DC and play for a franchise that’s in transition and their best player is either suspended or hurt for the majority... of EVERY year. they're gonna have to build from the draft, which is gonna take years. I agree once ted gets his foot in the door its gonna be a fire sale at first, he's probably gonna clean house like he did with the caps, so the wiz are on the 3-5 year plan as i see it.

It’s amazing how wiz tickets are now given away, go to a game on a friday night there, place is half filled at best. On the flip side, you have to give your first born for caps tickets, 3 years ago it was the exact opposite

-bt-

House cleaning is pretty much done. Can't get anymore cleaned. They've gotten under the luxury tax threshold.

Luck is a huge thing. No Ovechkin and they are still giving away caps tickets although the NHL has done a great job in reviving the league.

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

House cleaning is pretty much done. Can't get anymore cleaned. They've gotten under the luxury tax threshold.

Luck is a huge thing. No Ovechkin and they are still giving away caps tickets although the NHL has done a great job in reviving the league.

mike miller and his 9M per could be moved if you really wanna knit pick
surprised he wasn't shipped at the deadline as well, but i guess who wants to take on that kinda salary, plus the guy is FA next year

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/washington.htm


-bt-

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by -BT-

mike miller and his 9M per could be moved if you really wanna knit pick
surprised he wasn't shipped at the deadline as well, but i guess who wants to take on that kinda salary, plus the guy is FA next year

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/washington.htm


-bt-

Miller's contract is expiring. the wizards have roughly 30 million in salary promised for next season including the 17 million due arenas. Miller's contract is unimportant because they are already below the tax threshold. Theoretically they could re -sign him for far LESS money next year if they want to keep him but I doubt that happens.

Trading miller's expiring contract would have made no sense because they are trying to shed payroll.

Ginobili is an interesting free agent this summer.