Stretching the field...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

is what fear of giving up the deep ball does.


* Welker's biggest play of the game:

(Moss is at the top of the photo. He has a corner 3 yards past him. The corner on Moss has underneath help from a line backer - and deep help from a safety. Meanwhile, Welker gets to stroll untouched into a HUGE space in the middle of the field at the 20. If the safety hadn't started the play by playing super deep - Welker wouldn't have so much room)





* Ben Watson's biggest play of the game:

(Moss is in the middle of the field & going deep. He's getting triple teamed. 3 Panther defenders have a triangle around him. Two other Panther defenders are standing at 39 and 31 yard line, towards the bottom of the screen, with their thumbs in their butt and nothing happening around them.

5 different defenders are being accounted for by either Randy Moss or open space he has created by going deep.

This leaves Brady with enough time to eat a hot dog - and two excellently favorable one-on-one match-ups to exploit. Those are the type of plays that made so many BUM qb's put up all-world numbers with Moss)





Anyone think Wes Welker would be 1/5th as successful as he has been in New England when he's playing on a team where opposing defenses don't respect and fear the deep ball?

If you want to take Moss out of the game and triple team him early on like so ....



You're probably going to accomplish that. I'm not sure it's going to help you win ... but hey, it will probably lead to Moss having a bad stats day - and give the gossip writers who call themselves football journalists reason to say he isn't trying.

[ateamstupid]

Welker's best game this year was against the Jets, when Moss doesn't get double-covered because it's completely unnecessary.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The Jets were trying to cover Welker with some raggity ass linebacker who couldn't defend me.

They gave up almost 100 yards to Julian Edellman in week #2 - a white guy who was Kent State's qb last year - a guy who was drafted in round #7 - and a guy who wasn't even activated for week #1.

Your boy Beavis played two masterful games against Moss - good for him.

The fact is - he did have deep safety help A LOT. Basically, Moss was getting doubled if he was going deep .. and anything under 20 yards Reavis stood his ground admirably.

What you fail to mention is that the Jets blitzed the living sh!t of the Pats. Welker basically was one on one with a linebacker or a nickle guy the entire game - same as Edellman was.

The Saints doubled both Moss and Welker and only rushed 3 guys. They basically did the opposite of the Jets - put less pressure on Brady, but force Brady to beat them with Sam Aiken and tight ends.

The Saints are the only team that beat NE conclusively all year.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The Jets were trying to cover Welker with some raggity ass linebacker who couldn't defend me.

They gave up almost 100 yards to Julian Edellman in week #2 - a white guy who was Kent State's qb last year - a guy who was drafted in round #7 - and a guy who wasn't even activated for week #1.

Your boy Beavis played two masterful games against Moss - good for him.

The fact is - he did have deep safety help A LOT. Basically, Moss was getting doubled if he was going deep .. and anything under 20 yards Reavis stood his ground admirably.

What you fail to mention is that the Jets blitzed the living sh!t of the Pats. Welker basically was one on one with a linebacker or a nickle guy the entire game - same as Edellman was.

The Saints doubled both Moss and Welker and only rushed 3 guys. They basically did the opposite of the Jets - put less pressure on Brady, but force Brady to beat them with Sam Aiken and tight ends.

The Saints are the only team that beat NE conclusively all year.

where was maroney , the saints aren't exactly a team that stops the run like the 85 bears

bill should have run the ball with maroney more and kept his defense off the field

drugs whether moss does good or not , this defense is not carrying the pats anywhere this year

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by gales0678

where was maroney , the saints aren't exactly a team that stops the run like the 85 bears

Phony Maroney should be made to wear pink every single game ... not just for breast cancer awareness month.

He's my least favorite Patriots player. Remember - the ancient Fred Taylor was there money running rb before he got hurt.

Originally Posted by gales0678

bill should have run the ball with maroney more and kept his defense off the field

I picked up Maroney when Taylor went down in that fantasy leauge - he was a great fantasy pick up - like 6 straight weeks with a TD. He fumbles and he's a dancing pansy. He's an absolute liability. When they've had the lead late in games on the road - Maroney is worthless when teams are looking for the run.

drugs whether moss does good or not , this defense is not carrying the pats anywhere this year

This defense is the '85 Bears compared to every single defense Moss had in Minnesota.

[gales0678]

drugs the pats are regressing

maybe they get through the 1st round but do you really see them beating the colts and chargers in b2b weeks to get to the superbowl

i don't see it , heck the bungals could also beat them in the afc title game

don't forget the fish , jets , jags and ravens

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I'd feel a lot more confident if they still had Richard Seymour.

Brady and Moss are both 1st ballot hall of famers ... I'm not sure if Seymour is but he damn sure should be.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'd feel a lot more confident if they still had Richard Seymour.

Brady and Moss are both 1st ballot hall of famers ... I'm not sure if Seymour is but he damn sure should be.

ah again as i said back to the defense

i just don't think this D can hold up for 3 straight games this Jan

[The Indomitable DrugS]

There is no defensive unit that outclasses them. Maybe eight or nine are a little better - but not by a whole lot.

This is easily the 3rd best defense Moss has ever had.

Clearly behind the 18-1 '07 Pats

And somewhat behind the 11-5 '08 Matt Cassell's

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The Jets were trying to cover Welker with some raggity ass linebacker who couldn't defend me.

They gave up almost 100 yards to Julian Edellman in week #2 - a white guy who was Kent State's qb last year - a guy who was drafted in round #7 - and a guy who wasn't even activated for week #1.

Your boy Beavis played two masterful games against Moss - good for him.

The fact is - he did have deep safety help A LOT. Basically, Moss was getting doubled if he was going deep .. and anything under 20 yards Reavis stood his ground admirably.

What you fail to mention is that the Jets blitzed the living sh!t of the Pats. Welker basically was one on one with a linebacker or a nickle guy the entire game - same as Edellman was.

The Saints doubled both Moss and Welker and only rushed 3 guys. They basically did the opposite of the Jets - put less pressure on Brady, but force Brady to beat them with Sam Aiken and tight ends.

The Saints are the only team that beat NE conclusively all year.

Might want to learn how to spell the name of Moss's daddy. It's to the point where Revis Christ should make Moss hold the inside of his pocket and follow him to the bathroom.

And the Saints could've beaten the Pats rushing zero guys. They're an infinitely better team than New England.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There is no defensive unit that outclasses them. Maybe eight or nine are a little better - but not by a whole lot.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

This is easily the 3rd best defense Moss has ever had.

Clearly behind the 18-1 '07 Pats

And somewhat behind the 11-5 '08 Matt Cassell's

don't think so ....if they were tops in the league or right there uncle bill punts the ball away against the colts and makes them go 70 + yds to beat them

remember bill b is a defenese coach and that is where he knows best , if that was his giant defense from the 80's he punts the ball in that spot, he knows what he has an avg defense with no difference maker

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And the Saints could've beaten the Pats rushing zero guys. They're an infinitely better team than New England.

That game was as much a reflection of the Saints superiority over the Patriots as the 59-0 NE win over the Titans was a reflection of the Pats superiority over the Titans.

The Saints were infinitely better that night. They did things NE hasn't seen before .. and NE didn't adjust well to it offensively .. and defensively - they got abused.

The Saints needed three of the luckiest plays I've ever seen just to force overtime and beat the Redskins. Over the course of a year - every team has great performances and lousy ones.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That game was as much a reflection of the Saints superiority over the Patriots as the 59-0 NE win over the Titans was a reflection of the Pats superiority over the Titans.

The Saints were infinitely better that night. They did things NE hasn't seen before .. and NE didn't adjust well to it offensively .. and defensively - they got abused.

The Saints needed three of the luckiest plays I've ever seen just to force overtime and beat the Redskins. Over the course of a year - every team has great performances and lousy ones.

In case you haven't noticed, the Redskins have played way better of late. In the past five weeks, they've beaten the Broncos, lost heartbreakers on the road against Dallas and Philly, crushed Oakland and should've beaten New Orleans. It's a different team. You can't possibly think the Pats are even close to the Saints.

[gales0678]

[quote=ateamstupid]In case you haven't noticed, the Redskins have played way better of late. In the past five weeks, they've beaten the Broncos, lost heartbreakers on the road against Dallas and Philly, crushed Oakland and should've beaten New Orleans. It's a different team. You can't possibly think the Pats are even close to the Saints.[/QUOTE]


it doesn't matter about the saints , this defnese will not hold up for 3 games in jan joey

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by gales0678

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don't think so ....if they were tops in the league or right there uncle bill punts the ball away against the colts and makes them go 70 + yds to beat them

remember bill b is a defenese coach and that is where he knows best , if that was his giant defense from the 80's he punts the ball in that spot, he knows what he has an avg defense with no difference maker

I'm not a decorated football handicapper or anything ... I'm no more qualified in my non Randy Moss football opinons than anyone else here.

That said .... I like this defense a whole hell of a lot better than the 1998 Vikings defense - and that team went 15-1.

This isn't a bad defense. If they still had Richard Seymour ... I wouldn't take any other defense in the entire leauge over them when you look at the way Baltimore and Pittsburgh have been playing

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

In case you haven't noticed, the Redskins have played way better of late. In the past five weeks, they've beaten the Broncos, lost heartbreakers on the road against Dallas and Philly, crushed Oakland and should've beaten New Orleans. It's a different team. You can't possibly think the Pats are even close to the Saints.

Gimme a break - the Pats were like a 1 point underdog in that game against the Saints - and it was a night game in New Orleans on Thanksgiving weekend.

Let's say the Saints played NE in NE next week ... I'm not so sure the Pats wouldn't be favored by a couple points.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'm not a decorated football handicapper or anything ... I'm no more qualified in my non Randy Moss football opinons than anyone else here.

That said .... I like this defense a whole hell of a lot better than the 1998 Vikings defense - and that team went 15-1.

This isn't a bad defense. If they still had Richard Seymour ... I wouldn't take any other defense in the entire leauge over them when you look at the way Baltimore and Pittsburgh have been playing

seymour isn't coming back , there is no pass rush , surely you understand moss is not the same player he was back in '98 , surely you understand chris carter was an all time WR on the other side of the field , robert smith was a stud out of ohio st , culpepper was healthy at this point and did what he had to do

this defense just doesn't have a difference maker and that will be the difference

pats will win the east , maybe win a game or two in the playoffs , but , the defense will not hold up over 3 games , even if moss goes off

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Gimme a break - the Pats were like a 1 point underdog in that game against the Saints - and it was a night game in New Orleans on Thanksgiving weekend.

Let's say the Saints played NE in NE next week ... I'm not so sure the Pats wouldn't be favored by a couple points.

pats would be favored over any team in the nfl dec/jan in foxboro becuase the $$$ would dictate that , remember vegas wants 50/50 action so they can collect the vig

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Gimme a break - the Pats were like a 1 point underdog in that game against the Saints - and it was a night game in New Orleans on Thanksgiving weekend.

Let's say the Saints played NE in NE next week ... I'm not so sure the Pats wouldn't be favored by a couple points.

Who gives a sh it what the spread was or if it was Thanksgiving? What does that have to do with anything when the Pats got massacred and have looked just as terrible since? Trust me, if the Saints are laying 7 1/2 to the Vegas darlings this week, there's no way in hell they'd be underdogs against a team that was just life and death to beat the Panthers at home.

Even if they were somehow underdogs, again that's irrelevant. The Pats are total pretenders buddy. Even the Massholes at Pats Pulpit and Bill Simmons realize this.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by gales0678

seymour isn't coming back , there is no pass rush , surely you understand moss is not the same player he was back in '98 , surely you understand chris carter was an all time WR on the other side of the field , robert smith was a stud out of ohio st , culpepper was healthy at this point and did what he had to do

Dude - Brad Johnson was the starting qb of the '98 team - and Randall Cunnhingham the backup eventually became starter when Johnson got hurt. Cunningham won the NFL MVP award that year.

Culpepper was in college at Central Florida when that team was great.

Jeff George was the Vikes starting qb the following year - he won a playoff game and played in a pro bowl.

Culpepper was the starter of the 2000 Vikes team.