If Zenyatta wins the Classic

TropicalStorm · #1 09-22-2009, 05:40 PM

It sounds like she is headed to the Classic based on what Mr. Haskin said on the radioshow. On paper she does not appear fast enough but she does always find a way to win.

Would she be the horse of the year or would that depend on who she beats? I would think beating a horse like Sea The Stars would carry more weight than horses like Einstein.

Who decides this or is the Breeders Cup Classic winner sort of the horse of the year by default?

Is it true Jess Jackson bought voters with cases of wine last year and that is why Curlin got it over Zenyatta?

The Indomitable DrugS · #2 09-22-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CrossfireHurricane

Is it true Jess Jackson bought voters with cases of wine last year and that is why Curlin got it over Zenyatta?

Maybe Moss can win it for Zenyatta this year with cases of Fiji water.

the_fat_man · #3 09-22-2009, 06:44 PM

anybody still bet in here?

anyone left?

RockHardTen1985 · #4 09-22-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CrossfireHurricane

It sounds like she is headed to the Classic based on what Mr. Haskin said on the radioshow. On paper she does not appear fast enough but she does always find a way to win.

Would she be the horse of the year or would that depend on who she beats? I would think beating a horse like Sea The Stars would carry more weight than horses like Einstein.

Who decides this or is the Breeders Cup Classic winner sort of the horse of the year by default?

Is it true Jess Jackson bought voters with cases of wine last year and that is why Curlin got it over Zenyatta?

I said this a few weeks ago and ppl said no way... I think if Z stays undefeated and wins the BCC she will be. Im not saying shes better, but I do beleive this is how it will be voted.

NTamm1215 · #5 09-22-2009, 06:50 PM

God I hope Zenyatta runs in the Classic.

NT

declansharbor · #6 09-22-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I said this a few weeks ago and ppl said no way... I think if Z stays undefeated and wins the BCC she will be. Im not saying shes better, but I do beleive this is how it will be voted.

The pipe, put it down.

HOY was WRAPPED UP a few weeks ago.

RockHardTen1985 · #7 09-22-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor

The pipe, put it down.

HOY was WRAPPED UP a few weeks ago.

WHatever, I think Rachel is better SURE... Thats not the point... Zenyatta's toughest competition is Icon Project.... She might as well run in the Classic.

Merlinsky · #8 09-22-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

WHatever, I think Rachel is better SURE... Thats not the point... Zenyatta's toughest competition is Icon Project.... She might as well run in the Classic.

If you count the pros and cons of each race, it just makes more sense to go in the Classic. Heaven forbid she ran in the Ladies Classic (*cough*Distaff*cough*) and lost. It's a matter of time before racing luck gets in the way of that undefeated streak and it would deflate things just a bit if it was a loss to her own gender that she shouldn't have had. I'd like to see her at least try something extraordinary given the unimaginative campaign thus far (not their fault it's in California and she had a non-CA rain-out, it's just not as difficult as it could've been). If she gets a chance to unwind against the boys, could be an exciting thing to see whether she wins or not.

Given that she and Mine That Bird would be offering each other a running buddy, I wonder how that's gonna go. I was having trouble with At The Races online, dunno if it was just me, but I'll try to stream the archives to hear what Haskin had to say. Was he on again today or was that the one from Monday? Can't ever have too much, I just wondered which to listen to first. Maybe they've already discussed it, but who shadows who? MTB and Zenyatta, I mean.

GPK · #9 09-22-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

anybody still bet in here?

anyone left?

Yeah, but all the ones that bet are the ones that you either have on "iggy" (what the f*ck are you, a 12 year old girl?) or are on the top of your annoying poster list. Either way, both groups are made up of bettors that don't give a flying f*ck about your fat charts and horrible opionions.

postpicker · #10 09-22-2009, 09:34 PM

The question you have to ask is, if Zenyatta wins the BC Classic and ends up with a 4 for 4 or 5 for 5 record this year, is that accomplishment better than Rachel's 8 for 8 record this year. The HOY should be for your accomplishment the WHOLE year. Personally, I think HOY is Rachel's.

DaTruth · #11 09-22-2009, 09:37 PM

Zenyatta could win the Ladies Classic on Friday and the Classic on Saturday and she still won't be HOY.

RockHardTen1985 · #12 09-23-2009, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth

Zenyatta could win the Ladies Classic on Friday and the Classic on Saturday and she still won't be HOY.

This is original.

MisterB · #13 09-23-2009, 06:31 AM

Z has no chance for HOY. Not even close for God sakes. She runs on used condums, not dirt. She beat up on nobody.

Gate Dancer · #14 09-23-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth

Zenyatta could win the Ladies Classic on Friday and the Classic on Saturday and she still won't be HOY.

Why not throw in the Clark Handicap on Nov 27th at Churchill???

There is no contest on HOY.................

Gander · #15 09-23-2009, 09:06 AM

I think Rachael wrapped up HOY by winning the Woodward. When was the last time any 3 year old filly had a campaign like this, and won every single start to boot? For God sakes, she won the 2nd leg of the Triple Crown by beating the KY Derby winner, then she beat the Belmont winner in the Haskell...2 races where you never see fillies run.

Sure Zenyatta always wins, she always runs against the same crop of nothings out in California. Her consistency is amazing but shes done out of the box to capture true national exposure.

I cant believe this is even a debate anymore!

Indian Charlie · #16 09-23-2009, 09:26 AM

Well, according to Tool Operator all Z has to do is workout in the morning, since she's the reigning champion.

Linny · #17 09-23-2009, 10:10 AM

I don't have a vote but if I did, and Z were to win the BCC over a field that included Sea The Stars she'sbe HOY in my book. Beating males in the "biggest race of the year" outweighs winning the Woodward/Preakness. I don't think Z could beat even the moderate crew that has been taking turns out there are year (Einstein, Rail Trip etc) but if she did, and beat Sea the Stars -esp if he ran huge in defeat- I'd give the nod to the mare.

TropicalStorm · #18 09-23-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Linny

I don't have a vote but if I did, and Z were to win the BCC over a field that included Sea The Stars she'sbe HOY in my book. Beating males in the "biggest race of the year" outweighs winning the Woodward/Preakness. I don't think Z could beat even the moderate crew that has been taking turns out there are year (Einstein, Rail Trip etc) but if she did, and beat Sea the Stars -esp if he ran huge in defeat- I'd give the nod to the mare.

I agree. The Classic looks like it could be the best field ever assembled if the Europeans come over. It is sort of a shame Rachel is not running in it because if Sea The Stars came over and Rachel and Zenyatta were also in there than the race would be incredible. How funny would it be if Mine That Bird got a rail trip again and won the Classic against those horses.

pweizer · #19 09-23-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth

Zenyatta could win the Ladies Classic on Friday and the Classic on Saturday and she still won't be HOY.

If she did that, she would win HOY. Talk about sportsmanship...

Short of that, the issue has been settled.

Paul

Linny · #20 09-23-2009, 11:26 AM

Z must win the Classic to beat RA but I'd hardly say that the issue is settled. If some of the leading Euro's take to it like last year's bunch and run huge and the most proven older horses and the leading 3yo's are all beaten by Zenyatta in the Classic, how does RA win for beating a) the same good 3yo's as Z and b) lesser older horses.
IF (and that is a big IF) Z beats all that RA (MTB, SB, Macho Again etc) did and more (granting that Sea the Stars, Einstein, Rail Trip etc are better than Macho Again and Bullsbay) how does she not win HOY.