nyra / gate crew

[gales0678]

Steve - any response from NYRA or anything on the NYRA website in what took place on Sat in R7 at Belmont at the start ?

For those that didn't see it when the gates opened the #7 was in the grasp of one of the gate crew members , the horse reared up and spotted the field multiple lengths. Outside of the eventual winner the #7 was the other speed in the race. Now the Linda Rice horse (#11)is able to get out on a loose lead. The#11 goes wire to wire and wins the race.

Nyra gives a refund on the #7 , but, that's little consolation to the p4 and p6players - they get moved to the post time favorite the #6 - who needed another horse to push the #11 on the front end . problem was the other horse was left in the gate.

So if you were lucky eneough to only play a pick 3 you got a conso. payout.

Is there any reason why NYRA can't refund a p4 / p6 ticket in this situation or at least pay a conso on the p4 assuming you had the other 3 legs?

The guy who makes a win bet on the #7 got his money back , but, the guy who plays the late p4 and had the #7 singled and hit the other 3 legs walks away a loser - why no refund?

How can this happen? the gate crew was flawless on Belmont Day from the races I saw when the whole world was watching , but, now on a sleepy sat afternoon we get one of these gate crew incidents again that affected the entire dynamic of the race.

[Scav]

Oh, this thread could get GOOD!!

[slotdirt]

Somebody forgot to yell "no, no, no, no, no, no!"

[GBBob]

I swear I read this same thread already

[randallscott35]

If the fave had won would you feel the same way?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

If the fave had won would you feel the same way?

Once the #7 doesn't get out from the gate , is the #6 really still the favorite ???

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by gales0678

Once the #7 doesn't get out from the gate , is the #6 really still the favorite ???

That's not an answer.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by gales0678

How can this happen? the gate crew was flawless on Belmont Day from the races I saw when the whole world was watching , but, now on a sleepy sat afternoon we get one of these gate crew incidents again that affected the entire dynamic of the race.

How can this happen? Is that a joke? The starters have a problem you aren't taking into consideration... THEY'RE HOLDING A 1,200 POUND ANIMAL BY A STRAP OF LEATHER. What do you think the job is like? These aren't greyhounds being loaded into the box.

NYRA is the most generous racetrack operator in the country on declaring non-starters. It isn't even close.

The P4/P6 refund rules have been discussed ad nauseum. It's a difficult decision/situation. Refunding entire tickets is too large a negative impact on the pool. Offering a ticket with an alternate selection is a long term possiblility and requires support from the tote company. A conso is an option too I suppose.

I'm not sure what else you can do with this topic. If it's so odious, don't play the P4/P6 in states where they don't refund.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

That's not an answer.

ok - me personally no - i wouldn't feel the same way

but do you agree that if you had a crystal ball and knew that a horse was going to get stuck in the gate , the odds on race would be different than what was on the toteboard - suddnely a lone speed horse would become a shorter price no, may even become the favorite 'cuse no one is going to the front with him

so on sat - nyra gives you the #6 horse because he is the favorite at post time , but , since the #7 gets left in the gate , and there was no other speed to press the #11 , in your mind was the #6 really still the favorite?

[Danzig]

i think this is why it's referred to as gambling.

and how else could they determine who was the post time favorite than by what's on the tote??

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

How can this happen? Is that a joke? The starters have a problem you aren't taking into consideration... THEY'RE HOLDING A 1,200 POUND ANIMAL BY A STRAP OF LEATHER. What do you think the job is like? These aren't greyhounds being loaded into the box.

NYRA is the most generous racetrack operator in the country on declaring non-starters. It isn't even close.

The P4/P6 refund rules have been discussed ad nauseum. It's a difficult decision/situation. Refunding entire tickets is too large a negative impact on the pool. Offering a ticket with an alternate selection is a long term possiblility and requires support from the tote company. A conso is an option too I suppose.

I'm not sure what else you can do with this topic. If it's so odious, don't play the P4/P6 in states where they don't refund.

steve - why can't NYRA load two at a time , wouldn't that help?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by gales0678

ok - me personally no - i wouldn't feel the same way

but do you agree that if you had a crystal ball and knew that a horse was going to get stuck in the gate , the odds on race would be different than what was on the toteboard - suddnely a lone speed horse would become a shorter price no, may even become the favorite 'cuse no one is going to the front with him

so on sat - nyra gives you the #6 horse because he is the favorite at post time , but , since the #7 gets left in the gate , and there was no other speed to press the #11 , in your mind was the #6 really still the favorite?

Fair enough. Since it has happened to me and I've lost b/c of it I know how you feel, but it's just one of those things....I remember being put up in DQ situations for large four figs too. I always think to myself, I lose the right to bitch when a break goes my way.

[MaTH716]

For the most part those guys do a great job. But as soon as something happens people start going crazy looking for changes to be made. But Dani is right, it's gambling. As least they declared him a non starter and gave you the favorite (whether you liked him or not you still had a chance). As far as the pace scenario goes, what if he stumbled coming out of the gate or the saddle slipped? Strange things happen sometimes.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I lose the right to bitch when a break goes my way.

Its a rare day when someone actually admits they
got lucky on a race.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I swear I read this same thread already

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...nyra+gate+crew

or

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...nyra+gate+crew

or

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...nyra+gate+crew

or

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...nyra+gate+crew

or

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...nyra+gate+crew

[the_fat_man]

I'm going to try to make this point for the last time.

There are things we can control in the game, and others that we can't. The latter far outnumber the former. That's why the game is so difficult to beat. You just can't cover yourself when (seemingly) low probability events occur. However, to focus on the things that are beyond our control is to lose focus on what's important. When focus is shifted to what we can control, our decisions/opinions, and when we **** up we have no one to blame but ourselves, it quickly becomes apparent that we underestimated how difficult the game really is. And, when we also realize that the game itself is actually fair, the naivete of our initial perspective becomes apparent.

Repeat after me:

1) you can pick the 'right' horse and lose
2) you can pick the 'wrong' horse and win
3) you can pick the 'right' horse and win
4) you can pick the 'wrong' horse and lose

to only expect 3 and 4 to happen is to really miss the point

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm going to try to make this point for the last time.

There are things we can control in the game, and others that we can't. The latter far outnumber the former. That's why the game is so difficult to beat. You just can't cover yourself when (seemingly) low probability events occur. However, to focus on the things that are beyond our control is to lose focus on what's important. When focus is shifted to what we can control, our decisions/opinions, and when we **** up we have no one to blame but ourselves, it quickly becomes apparent that we underestimated how difficult the game really is. And, when we also realize that the game itself is actually fair, the naivete of our initial perspective becomes apparent.

Repeat after me:

1) you can pick the 'right' horse and lose
2) you can pick the 'wrong' horse and win
3) you can pick the 'right' horse and win
4) you can pick the 'wrong' horse and lose

to only expect 3 and 4 to happen is to really miss the point

And this is why The Fat Man rises to the top.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm going to try to make this point for the last time.

There are things we can control in the game, and others that we can't. The latter far outnumber the former. That's why the game is so difficult to beat. You just can't cover yourself when (seemingly) low probability events occur. However, to focus on the things that are beyond our control is to lose focus on what's important. When focus is shifted to what we can control, our decisions/opinions, and when we **** up we have no one to blame but ourselves, it quickly becomes apparent that we underestimated how difficult the game really is. And, when we also realize that the game itself is actually fair, the naivete of our initial perspective becomes apparent.

Repeat after me:

1) you can pick the 'right' horse and lose
2) you can pick the 'wrong' horse and win
3) you can pick the 'right' horse and win
4) you can pick the 'wrong' horse and lose

to only expect 3 and 4 to happen is to really miss the point

Im the best at #4.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm going to try to make this point for the last time.

There are things we can control in the game, and others that we can't. The latter far outnumber the former. That's why the game is so difficult to beat. You just can't cover yourself when (seemingly) low probability events occur. However, to focus on the things that are beyond our control is to lose focus on what's important. When focus is shifted to what we can control, our decisions/opinions, and when we **** up we have no one to blame but ourselves, it quickly becomes apparent that we underestimated how difficult the game really is. And, when we also realize that the game itself is actually fair, the naivete of our initial perspective becomes apparent.

Repeat after me:

1) you can pick the 'right' horse and lose
2) you can pick the 'wrong' horse and win
3) you can pick the 'right' horse and win
4) you can pick the 'wrong' horse and lose

to only expect 3 and 4 to happen is to really miss the point

I'm with you Fat Man. I think that's why I love this website so much: there actually is LOGIC around here!

I wish some of that could permeate the rest of our society.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm going to try to make this point for the last time.

There are things we can control in the game, and others that we can't. The latter far outnumber the former. That's why the game is so difficult to beat. You just can't cover yourself when (seemingly) low probability events occur. However, to focus on the things that are beyond our control is to lose focus on what's important. When focus is shifted to what we can control, our decisions/opinions, and when we **** up we have no one to blame but ourselves, it quickly becomes apparent that we underestimated how difficult the game really is. And, when we also realize that the game itself is actually fair, the naivete of our initial perspective becomes apparent.

Repeat after me:

1) you can pick the 'right' horse and lose
2) you can pick the 'wrong' horse and win
3) you can pick the 'right' horse and win
4) you can pick the 'wrong' horse and lose

to only expect 3 and 4 to happen is to really miss the point

I'm getting misty over here... Seriously. Great appraisal Fats. Great.