Oracle--Please explain Flower Alley

Well lets see here, the bloodwork came back perfectly from Flower Alley and he doesnt have any physical problems. What are earth could have happened. Pletcher had 7 months to get this horse ready for a Grade I event at Saratoga. Didnt you say something like there has to be some physical problem and that is the reason why Flower Alley ran so poorly? What is the reasoning now as to why Flower Alley ran so poorly?

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Well lets see here, the bloodwork came back perfectly from Flower Alley and he doesnt have any physical problems. What are earth could have happened. Pletcher had 7 months to get this horse ready for a Grade I event at Saratoga. Didnt you say something like there has to be some physical problem and that is the reason why Flower Alley ran so poorly? What is the reasoning now as to why Flower Alley ran so poorly?

Why are you asking me? How the hell would I know? I will tell you this, I'm very happy that he is safe and sound and will be racing in the Woodward. I would have to think that Pletcher is as puzzled as anyone else and probably moreso after the bloodwork came back fine.
How would I be able to explain it? I, like anyone else, have not the slightest idea and would not be able to even hazard a guess. Hes obviously tons better than that and with no physical problem to explain his performance, and accounts by clockers I trust that he was doing very well before the race, I have not the slightest idea. being wide is certainly no excuse, and he only stalked a moderate pace so thats no excuse either. I don't havea clue to be honest with you, andif his trainer doesnt have a clue, how the hell would I have a clue?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Why are you asking me? How the hell would I know? I will tell you this, I'm very happy that he is safe and sound and will be racing in the Woodward. I would have to think that Pletcher is as puzzled as anyone else and probably moreso after the bloodwork came back fine.
How would I be able to explain it? I, like anyone else, have not the slightest idea and would not be able to even hazard a guess. Hes obviously tons better than that and with no physical problem to explain his performance, and accounts by clockers I trust that he was doing very well before the race, I have not the slightest idea. being wide is certainly no excuse, and he only stalked a moderate pace so thats no excuse either. I don't havea clue to be honest with you, andif his trainer doesnt have a clue, how the hell would I have a clue?

I mean you seem to have inside information with your connections so I thought maybe you have heard something.

I thought pre-race that getting pressure or running in tandem with Invasor could lead to either of them running poorly. I was so impressed with FA in the Salvatore after seeing the horse at CD. I thought he would run huge in the Whitney.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I was actually being serious in my questions. But if you want to be childish about it then that is fine. I mean you seem to have inside information with your connections so I thought maybe you have heard something.

I have no inside info other than my clocker. There are quite a few here who talk to as many trainers and owners. etc as I do. Rupert would be on the list of guys who know a great deal about the inside.
You posed the question to me as if I would have any idea. Todd is about the sharpest guy I know of in the business. If he says he doesn't know, and has announced he will be going in the Woodward, I would have to just say I have no idea and we will see whats up next time. heck Euro, behind Steve's BBQ stand about 50-75 feet away is a very narrow path on which they lead over the horses for the race who are walking over to the paddock from the training track barns. Flower walked not 5 feet away from me and he had no sweat, no kidney sweat, and looked a calm happy picture and drew some oohs and ahhs from the crowd. His coat was perfect and he looked a picture of health. he didn't pull up lame, and he never really acted tired during the race or lame. I've watched the replay a few times now and he simply looked disinterested in running. Johnny went all in on him on the turn and he didnt stop dead, just never got running. Its inexplicable and I guess we see what the story is next time out. trust me, hes worth too much as a stallion to keep running if there is a problem and if there was a problem he would already have been retired.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I have no inside info other than my clocker. There are quite a few here who talk to as many trainers and owners. etc as I do. Rupert would be on the list of guys who know a great deal about the inside.
You posed the question to me as if I would have any idea. Todd is about the sharpest guy I know of in the business. If he says he doesn't know, and has announced he will be going in the Woodward, I would have to just say I have no idea and we will see whats up next time. heck Euro, behind Steve's BBQ stand about 50-75 feet away is a very narrow path on which they lead over the horses for the race who are walking over to the paddock from the training track barns. Flower walked not 5 feet away from me and he had no sweat, no kidney sweat, and looked a calm happy picture and drew some oohs and ahhs from the crowd. His coat was perfect and he looked a picture of health. he didn't pull up lame, and he never really acted tired during the race or lame. I've watched the replay a few times now and he simply looked disinterested in running. Johnny went all in on him on the turn and he didnt stop dead, just never got running. Its inexplicable and I guess we see what the story is next time out. trust me, hes worth too much as a stallion to keep running if there is a problem and if there was a problem he would already have been retired.

I tell you this much, I am going to hammer him in the Woodward. If the odds are better than 2-1 on the horse I am going to lay down some cash. I am certain he is better than what he displayed last saturday.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I tell you this much, I am going to hammer him in the Woodward. If the odds are better than 2-1 on the horse I am going to lay down some cash. I am certain he is better than what he displayed last saturday.

Euro so am I but that race is a real red flag. I mean, there is NO explanation for it and I am as puzzled by the lack of effort as anyone. I really don't know what to think at this point. I know what i saw last year, but what i saw last year and what i saw on Saturday were as far apart as you can get.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Euro so am I but that race is a real red flag. I mean, there is NO explanation for it and I am as puzzled by the lack of effort as anyone. I really don't know what to think at this point. I know what i saw last year, but what i saw last year and what i saw on Saturday were as far apart as you can get.

Yeah isnt that the truth. I wonder how many works FA will get. Maybe that can shed some light.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Yeah isnt that the truth. I wonder how many works FA will get. Maybe that can shed some light.

Heck if he works on the main I can tell you exactly what Joe says to the word. I promise to let you know. And trust me, hes about as brutally honest as you will ever find tending towards serious negativity!!!!

Originally Posted by oracle80

Heck if he works on the main I can tell you exactly what Joe says to the word. I promise to let you know. And trust me, hes about as brutally honest as you will ever find tending towards serious negativity!!!!

Please keep me informed. I will really appreciate it.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Please keep me informed. I will really appreciate it.

I will. But he may work at Oklahoma and I won't be able to tell you much if he does.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I will. But he may work at Oklahoma and I won't be able to tell you much if he does.

Are you heading to Churchill for Breeders Cup week? I will be down there watching the horses work so I will give a fool report.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Are you heading to Churchill for Breeders Cup week? I will be down there watching the horses work so I will give a fool report.

Should get there on Wednesday of BC week.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Should get there on Wednesday of BC week.

Oh, i will be there on the Saturday and Sunday and Monday. Then back down on Friday night and coming back home Breeders Cup night.

[Rupert Pupkin]

We don't know if there's something wrong with the horse or not. He may have a physical issue. Todd isn't going to tell you if the horse has a tendon, a suspensory, or a bad knee. Most of these trainers keep their mouths shut when it come to these kinds of things. They will only tell you about an injury if they're going to lay the horse up. If a trainer is going to run a horse with an injury, it is not often that they will tell you about it. The reason is because they will get too much grief if the horse runs bad or if the horse gets hurt.

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If a trainer is going to run a horse with an injury, it is not often that they will tell you about it. The reason is because they will get too much grief if the horse runs bad or if the horse gets hurt.

And the betting public be damned.

[Gander]

Not sure why you guys would be so anxious to bet this horse right back.
Invasor isnt going to the Woodward, so its not like his price is going to be all that great, even with a very bad performance in the Whitney.

Sure I will root for Flower Alley (if I am not betting) because I want to see a great BC Classic, but to me (wagering wise) its another good time to take a chance against this sure to be favorite.