5/16 (CD): Matt Winn S.

Kasept · #1 05-14-2009, 02:24 PM

10th (5:29) Matt Winn S.

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Zigaree Bridgmohan S X Asmussen Steven M 119 LA 8-1
2 Dance Caller Sterling L J Jr Holthus Robert E 119 LA 9-2
3 Cash Refund Hernandez B J Jr Margolis Steve 117 LA 8-5
4 Capt. Candyman Can Castellano J J Wilkes Ian R 123 L 6-5
5 Conchacer Mena M Bennett Dale 117 LA 8-1

VOL JACK · #2 05-14-2009, 04:18 PM

MATCH RACE!! I'll take the speed and the 6lbs.

booner · #3 05-14-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

MATCH RACE!! I'll take the speed and the 6lbs.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Can't believe I will be in Louisville this weekend and won't be able to go to the track to see this matchup. Man, I'm really starting to get

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VOL JACK · #4 05-14-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by booner

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Can't believe I will be in Louisville this weekend and won't be able to go to the track to see this matchup. Man, I'm really starting to get

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Ill be In Lvl myself, instead of KY Downs.
Dont feel bad, the wife just let me know we are going on a weekend trip June 13-14 (Stephen Foster Day).

booner · #5 05-14-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Ill be In Lvl myself, instead of KY Downs.
Dont feel bad, the wife just let me know we are going on a weekend trip June 13-14 (Stephen Foster Day).

I know the feeling. I had to rearrange my work schedule to get this weekend off (bro-in-law's wedding reception), and in turn now have to work THAT weekend.

I got screwed on both ends......

philcski · #6 05-14-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Ill be In Lvl myself, instead of KY Downs.
Dont feel bad, the wife just let me know we are going on a weekend trip June 13-14 (Stephen Foster Day).

See you there

brianwspencer · #7 05-14-2009, 08:56 PM

Would take Cash Refund here easy.

chucklestheclown · #8 05-14-2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Would take Cash Refund here easy.

Should win for fun. VERY tempting.

JDank34 · #9 05-15-2009, 08:11 AM

I would slow down.....there is a huge difference between a very consistent, proven Grande 2 and 3 horse and running a couple fast numbers against maidens ands 1 other than horses.

Capt. Candyman will handle it here.

NTamm1215 · #10 05-15-2009, 08:15 AM

Cash Refund certainly has a huge pace advantage but I'd also not really concede this race to him. Capt. Candyman Can brings his A game every time sprinting and I think his Bay Shore figure is too low. He also had his Hutcheson adjusted, so it's not like he's some ridiculous slowpoke.

The Bay Shore was a merry-go-round but he looked very professional in the stretch and I think his graded stakes background will make the difference.

NT

VOL JACK · #11 05-15-2009, 08:21 AM

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See you there

I wish....The weekend trip is to the Smokey Mountains and take the little one to Dollywood. Instead of $5 drafts I get to buy $5 Cokes.

Danzig · #12 05-15-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I wish....The weekend trip is to the Smokey Mountains and take the little one to Dollywood. Instead of $5 drafts I get to buy $5 Cokes.

beautiful place. lucky you.

ateamstupid · #13 05-15-2009, 07:21 PM

Personally rooting for Margolis, but even if I weren't, I'd take Cash Refund in a romp. If I can get 8-5 on him (unlikely), guns blazing.

brianwspencer · #14 05-16-2009, 01:55 AM

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Personally rooting for Margolis, but even if I weren't, I'd take Cash Refund in a romp. If I can get 8-5 on him (unlikely), guns blazing.

Exactly. And my early guess is that on paper, sure there are some ways to make a case for the Capt. beating him, but I think that after the running is done tomorrow, having tried to do so will seem foolish in retrospect.

brianwspencer · #15 05-16-2009, 11:13 AM

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I'm with JDank here. Cash Return was ultra impressive last time, but against a field of high priced claimers. The 4,5 finishers ran 1-3 yesterday in a 50k claimer (which is where they belong). There is no doubt he will win a stake race this year if he can remain healthy. But I have to go with the proven commodity today, especially because I think Cash Return might be the favorite come post time.

Did Hull not teach you guys anything?

You can only beat who shows up.

brianwspencer · #16 05-16-2009, 11:43 AM

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I understand that but it is worth noting what was behind him, in his ultra impressive romp. I'm not discrediting that performance, but trying to put it in perspective. It won't surprise me at all if Cash return wins again, and is just as impressive. But, I have to figure they are going to be similar odds and I prefer a horse that has beaten quality horses, over a horse that hasn't.

lol, I know.

But it was also apparently worth listening to those talking about who Hull had beaten before he won the Derby Trial...and those horses were arguably one or two claiming levels worse than the ones Cash Refund trashed. This is basically the exact same conversation I had a few weeks ago.

You know me though, I wouldn't have picked against Hull or Cash Refund in either of the two spots no matter who had shown up because they've been my favorite, exciting horses since their debuts (as I'll pull a John White and remind anyone anytime it's even a little relevant).

Neither has done anything wrong yet, and until one of them does, I see no reason to think they'll lose, and Cash Refund would pwn Hull. I'll reassess when one of them proves me wrong.

And if you keep calling him Cash Return and saying he won't win, does that mean you get to be right when a horse called Cash Return doesn't win today?

brianwspencer · #17 05-16-2009, 01:40 PM

Wow, Taqarub and Yano just ran huge.........

brianwspencer · #18 05-16-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yano was 22-1. Did he figure to run well?

But Snapshot just flattered Cash Refund by winning a 6 furlong allowance at Belmont in 108 and 4. Should be a good race. You know I like to argue, but even I see no point in arguing a virtual match race any further.....have at it.

I'm not even arguing it anymore, dude. Just making what I considered to be a fine joke about the fact that comparing who beat who doesn't have a whole lot of bearing at all on this race IMO and never did, not for Refund and not for the Capt either.

Kasept · #19 05-16-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yano was 22-1. Did he figure to run well?

But Snapshot just flattered Cash Refund by winning a 6 furlong allowance at Belmont in 108 and 4. Should be a good race. You know I like to argue, but even I see no point in arguing a virtual match race any further.....have at it.

Snapshot was as impressive as Mott expected him to be that day at Churchill. Mott told me an hour later before the Derby Trial, that had he heard about Cash Refund beforehand, he'd have scratched. 3-1 was a gift just now on Snapshot.

I made my opinion on Cash Refund obvious with the Bloodhorse piece... I suggested to Margolis and Klien to wait the full 42 days and run in the Woody Stephens after the monster ALW performance. I hope he isn't coming back too quick here. Spoke to Margolis Thursday and he said the gelding was acting good.

Mike · #20 05-16-2009, 02:16 PM

Straight tri of Candyman-Cash Refund-Conchacer