acc / big east

[gales0678]

A 7-9 acc Miami Fl goes on the road and wins in providence against a team that went 10-8 in the big east

now i guess we shouldn't count this one becasue providence probably didn't care about the game because they didn't get to the big dance but food for thought for later on in the tourney

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

A 7-9 acc Miami Fl goes on the road and wins in providence against a team that went 10-8 in the big east

now i guess we shouldn't count this one becasue providence probably didn't care about the game because they didn't get to the big dance but food for thought for later on in the tourney

Big East has sucked pretty bad in these other tournaments. But the gap between 7 and 8 in the Big East was a chasm so not sure how much it means. Miami can beat anyone when McClinton (Siena transfer) is on and lose to anyone when he's off.

[slotdirt]

Particularly in the early rounds, NIT games seem to mean precisely nothing.

[gales0678]

maybe so , my question is is this result a total throwout or not?

there's not much of a gap between wvu and provd

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

maybe so , my question is is this result a total throwout or not?

there's not much of a gap between wvu and provd

I strongly disagree. West Virginia is an 11 point favorite on a neutral court.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I strongly disagree. West Virginia is an 11 point favorite on a neutral court.

impossible again and wrong again

go and look at last week's lines

louisville in msg was at most -10 over provd and some places had -9

are we to believe then that wvu is a 1 pt favorite over 'ville?

[SniperSB23]

In conference West Virginia played Pitt, Louisville, and South Florida twice. Providence played Villanova, Cincinnati, and Rutgers. Providence also didn't have to go to Pitt, Syracuse, or Marquette. Those are incredibly unbalanced conference schedules.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

impossible again and wrong again

go and look at last week's lines

louisville in msg was at most -10 over provd and some places had -9

are we to believe then that wvu is a 1 pt favorite over 'ville?

You don't think Providence's stock has taken a hit from an 18 point loss to Louisville and then a 12 point loss home against Miami?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

In conference West Virginia played Pitt, Louisville, and South Florida twice. Providence played Villanova, Cincinnati, and Rutgers. Providence also didn't have to go to Pitt, Syracuse, or Marquette. Those are incredibly unbalanced conference schedules.

and this makes them an 11 pt favorite over providence on a neutral court explain that one to me?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

You don't think Providence's stock has taken a hit from an 18 point loss to Louisville and then a 12 point loss home against Miami?

they lost at louisville in feb by 18 and came back and beat pitt by 8 at home, now if the games were diff last thurs at msg and wvu played 'ville and provd played pitt are we to believe that providence couldn't have beat pitt again ??

what does the crystal ball say about that one?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

and this makes them an 11 pt favorite over providence on a neutral court explain that one to me?

Yeah, when West Virginia and Louisville meet in the Elite 8 it will be a 1 or 2 point spread. They are very close. Louisville beat them by 3 and 6 this year, they beat Providence both times by 18. West Virginia beat Providence by 27 when they played.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

they lost at louisville in feb by 18 and came back and beat pitt by 8 at home, now if the games were diff last thurs at msg and wvu played 'ville and provd played pitt are we to believe that providence couldn't have beat pitt again ??

what does the crystal ball say about that one?

Did you watch Providence - Pitt? They called Blair for everything. There are about 75 teams that could have beat Pitt with that officiating. On a neutral court Pitt would crush Providence.

There is very good reason that West Virginia is a 6 seed in the NCAAs and Providence is a first round exit in the NIT. West Virginia is a much better team.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yeah, when West Virginia and Louisville meet in the Elite 8 it will be a 1 or 2 point spread. They are very close. Louisville beat them by 3 and 6 this year, they beat Providence both times by 18. West Virginia beat Providence by 27 when they played.

that's not what you are saying soctt , you threw a number out there (11)

i pointed out the 'vill was 9 or 10 over provd on a neutral court

so based on your numbers west va is better than 'ville and if you set the line you would have wvu over louisville - explain this one to me

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

that's not what you are saying soctt , you threw a number out there (11)

i pointed out the 'vill was 9 or 10 over provd on a neutral court

so based on your numbers west va is better than 'ville and if you set the line you would have wvu over louisville - explain this one to me

Louisville was a 9 or 10 point favorite. Since then Providence lost by 18 to them and lost by 12 at home to Miami. If Louisville and Providence met again on a neutral court now the line would be a lot more than 9 or 10, probably 13ish.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Louisville was a 9 or 10 point favorite. Since then Providence lost by 18 to them and lost by 12 at home to Miami. If Louisville and Providence met again on a neutral court now the line would be a lot more than 9 or 10, probably 13ish.

ok here is 1 for you

louisville was favored by 7.5 over syracuse in the finals
west va as favored by 6.5 over syracuse in the semi's

now everyone knows that the overnite line betwwen west va and syr was 1 or 2 pts west va favored

there was a 6 ot game that had to get factored into the line for syr/wvu , the oddsmakers decide to move the line 4/5.5 points

again explain to me how west va could be a 1 or 2 pt underdog to 'ville

are we to believe that if wvu had beaten syr they would have been in a pickem game (1 pt either) way against the cards?

[Storm Cadet]

We played all three this year:

Best team is WVA then followed closely by Miami and then PC...check out the Pomeroy rankings I use when I compare teams:

http://kenpom.com/rate.php

then click on a team name to get comparable stats and season results!

Enjoy

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

ok here is 1 for you

louisville was favored by 7.5 over syracuse in the finals
west va as favored by 6.5 over syracuse in the semi's

now everyone knows that the overnite line betwwen west va and syr was 1 or 2 pts west va favored

there was a 6 ot game that had to get factored into the line for syr/wvu , the oddsmakers decide to move the line 4/5.5 points

again explain to me how west va could be a 1 or 2 pt underdog to 'ville

are we to believe that if wvu had beaten syr they would have been in a pickem game (1 pt either) way against the cards?

Louisville would be a 2 to 3 point favorite over West Virginia right now and would be a 14 point favorite if they played Providence now.

Just for the record, I went and checked the Sagarin predictor against the sportsbook.com lines for every tournament game and the only one off by more than 2 points was Illinois/Western Kentucky and that is solely due to Illinois being without their point guard.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by gales0678

there's not much of a gap between wvu and provd

I strongly disagree. I think West Virginia is really good and will crush Dayton tomorrow.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I strongly disagree. I think West Virginia is really good and will crush Dayton tomorrow.

u can disagree that's fine

scott posted a thought on a louisville line against west va , i told him i thought he was wrong , if west va plays louisville in the elite 8 , you will see louisville favored by a minimum of 5 points , we can wager on that after the sweet 16 this 1 or 2 point difference between 'ville and west va is baloney you will never see that line in the elite 8

[philcski]

Originally Posted by gales0678

maybe so , my question is is this result a total throwout or not?

there's not much of a gap between wvu and provd

Seriously???

WV is the best 6 seed possibly in the history of the tournament, at least since KU in '88, and Providence is a mediocre scrappy team with a new coach who had an OK year. There isn't much of a gap... it's a CHASM.