John V. & Flower Alley

#1 08-05-2006, 05:03 PM

I am not going to say that Flower Alley deserved to win this race, but the ride given to him by John V. was atrocious. FOUR WIDE on the turn. Come on! This guy is supposed to be one of the best? LAUGHABLE! He grew his reputation straight off of Todd Pletcher's ass. One of the worst rides I have ever seen in a top race.

Is it any coincidence that the worst race that Afleet Alex ever ran was with this joker on his back?

ArlJim78 · #2 08-05-2006, 05:08 PM

the ride had zero to do with todays finish. JV also had the whip out on the turn, what does that tell you?

Exceller · #3 08-05-2006, 05:10 PM

nobody is better than JV. flower alley just is not good enough to sit around and get fat and expect to come back and be handed wins. that horse was fat this spring.

paisjpq · #4 08-05-2006, 05:10 PM

the ride did NOT cost the horse the win--if you have ever sat on a horse you would know that a rider responds to whats underneath him--JV clearly was scrubbing on this horse early to try to keep him in it.

#5 08-05-2006, 05:11 PM

It tells me that he used the horse up early trying to keep pace with Siphon City. The guy has no sense of pace. Pletcher/Velasquez dominate the 2 year old division every year because it's always a dead sprint from the start. But where, please tell me, where are their TRIPLE CROWN TROPHIES??????

ArlJim78 · #6 08-05-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TeddyRex

It tells me that he used the horse up early trying to keep pace with Siphon City. The guy has no sense of pace. Pletcher/Velasquez dominate the 2 year old division every year because it's always a dead sprint from the start. But where, please tell me, where are their TRIPLE CROWN TROPHIES??????

Big wager today on Flower Alley I'm guessing?

#7 08-05-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TeddyRex

I am not going to say that Flower Alley deserved to win this race, but the ride given to him by John V. was atrocious. FOUR WIDE on the turn. Come on! This guy is supposed to be one of the best? LAUGHABLE! He grew his reputation straight off of Todd Pletcher's ass. One of the worst rides I have ever seen in a top race.

Is it any coincidence that the worst race that Afleet Alex ever ran was with this joker on his back?

Ummm ... Teddy ... did you notice ... that the winner was three wide?

So ... Flower Alley travelled 1/2 length further than Invasor ... and he lost by ... how much?

You'd better spend just a wee bit more time learning how to watch thoroughbred races ... because you're giving the impression that you don't know what the blazes you're talking about.

paisjpq · #8 08-05-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Big wager today on Flower Alley I'm guessing?

sure sounds a lot like sour grapes

Exceller · #9 08-05-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Big wager today on Flower Alley I'm guessing?

you think? JV is the best.

#10 08-05-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TeddyRex

It tells me that he used the horse up early trying to keep pace with Siphon City. The guy has no sense of pace. Pletcher/Velasquez dominate the 2 year old division every year because it's always a dead sprint from the start. But where, please tell me, where are their TRIPLE CROWN TROPHIES??????

OK ... on this one you're correct.

Pletcher is the King Of The MSW Sprints ... but is out of sight when classic-distance dirt races for colts are run.

Good observation.

GPK · #11 08-05-2006, 05:19 PM

Pletcher said before the race FA was not 100%

Cajungator26 · #12 08-05-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

Pletcher said before the race FA was not 100%

Then why in the hell would he have run him? Not 100% as in not 100% sound or not 100% ready?

Exceller · #13 08-05-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

Pletcher said before the race FA was not 100%

he would need to be 150% to beat invasor.

Exceller · #14 08-05-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Then why in the hell would he have run him? Not 100% as in not 100% sound or not 100% ready?

as in not 100% sure i can beat invasor. his home track and he was beaten by the best horse in training. Invasor is actually a 10F horse too.

#15 08-05-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

Pletcher said before the race FA was not 100%

Yup ...

... it's always nice to be aware ... that the horse you've entered in a nationally televised G1 race ... is going to finish seventh.

That way ... you're not too disappointed afterward.

Sheeeeeeesh !!!

Scav · #16 08-05-2006, 05:31 PM

Horse was short today, matter of fact I absolutely LOVE how he ran today because it will help the odds, at least a little bit for the JCGC or whatever the thing is.

ArlJim78 · #17 08-05-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

Pletcher said before the race FA was not 100%

Did he actually use those words? And by less than 100% did he mean around 80%?

ArlJim78 · #18 08-05-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Horse was short today, matter of fact I absolutely LOVE how he ran today because it will help the odds, at least a little bit for the JCGC or whatever the thing is.

And if Invasor is in the JCGC? How much are you willing to bet that FA turns the tables?

Exceller · #19 08-05-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Horse was short today, matter of fact I absolutely LOVE how he ran today because it will help the odds, at least a little bit for the JCGC or whatever the thing is.

i guess you like to throw money away. that horse was short in a 9f race on his home track but you like him going more distance on another track if invasor or bernardini is in there?

if pletcher has horses that are running short maybe he is not the great trainer people say he is. i think he was ready but not in the league with a horse that now has three grade 1 wins in a row against older horses. flower alley still does not have a grade 1 win against older horses.

paisjpq · #20 08-05-2006, 05:36 PM

I would bet that FA will avoid invasor for awhile...until breeder's cup anyway