AQU INNER: business as usual

[the_fat_man]

TWO races

TWO wire jobs

Now, that's GOOD racing.

For an example of just about the UGLIEST racing around, check out the 3rd race.

[philcski]

Don't fight the bias... embrace it.

[CSC]

My question is are there many handicappers out there that don't know this ?....even the challenged ones must be catching on.

[the_fat_man]

Very interesting.

Right after BTW mentions that he's betting First of Ten (and the horrendous trip the horse got last out), the horse drops from 9:1 to 6:1, then 5:1 (in two flashes). Damn, talk about a price buster.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Very interesting.

Right after BTW mentions that he's betting First of Ten (and the horrendous trip the horse got last out), the horse drops from 9:1 to 6:1, then 5:1 (in two flashes).

that must be why

[Linny]

Took to the 5th for someone to pass a front runner.

[CSC]

Manipulation of odds? Not saying this is an example but what do you guys think of chart manipulation and fudging the numbers? Some of the descriptions in the charts of late has left me scratching my head...

[the_fat_man]

Whenever I've checked out the 'long' comments in the results charts, they've been pretty much accurate. However, the 'short' version comments, in the PPs are often beyond COMICAL and have nothing to do with the long ones.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Whenever I've checked out the 'long' comments in the results charts, they've been pretty much accurate. However, the 'short' version comments, in the PPs are often beyond COMICAL and have nothing to do with the long ones.

I know you brought up the 1/2 length inaccuracy when the chartmaker said the horse made the lead, myself I have found 2 comments of late that I brought up, I don't know maybe it's not as easy charting races as it may seem but at times I wonder if these guys watched the same race I just watched. There's nothing like watching a replay of a race or live to get the most accurate account, problem is who has time for that. I know I painstakenly try but it's impossible to catch everything.

[the_fat_man]

I've posted about what I think is the proper way to go. Even in cases where TRAKUS is not being utilized, there is a way to make the charts MUCH more accurate. That's by emulating what they do over in Hong Kong: take pictures at each call/pole, simple enough to do, since the race is being filmed, and then splice them together into a total photo of the race. Needless to say, if I had accurate charts (position not comments, I could care less about the latter) to work with, my video time would be reduced significantly and I could play many more races/tracks.

It's simple enough to chart a race (even without the technology mentioned above) UNTIL the penultimate split, where, in most cases, the camera is focusing on the leaders, and, I suppose, the angle for the chartmaker is changed. This is why, especially at NYRA tracks, a good majority of the charts show horses GAINING the last split when they've backed up the split before it. The HUMP chart, if you will. EQUIBASE is not embarrassed by this; NYRA isn't either (and the other tracks follow suit).

I think it's time for each track to have one of its tech support people SCREEN CAPTURE from the video at the splits and then post the results on their site. They need to do it, as they have the multiple angles necessary for this. Then again, LRL and NYRA don't have enough zooms lens fcameras and they probably wouldn't want to invest in a wide angle. Why would they when very few give a **** about accuracy, just as long as their figures (based on this flawed data) are posted on time.

[Dr. Watson]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I think it's time for each track to have one of its tech support people SCREEN CAPTURE from the video at the splits and then post the results on their site. They need to do it

What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore..
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over..
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?


I just wish theyd all serve hot tuna melts first.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I've posted about what I think is the proper way to go. Even in cases where TRAKUS is not being utilized, there is a way to make the charts MUCH more accurate. That's by emulating what they do over in Hong Kong: take pictures at each call/pole, simple enough to do, since the race is being filmed, and then splice them together into a total photo of the race. Needless to say, if I had accurate charts (position not comments, I could care less about the latter) to work with, my video time would be reduced significantly and I could play many more races/tracks.

It's simple enough to chart a race (even without the technology mentioned above) UNTIL the penultimate split, where, in most cases, the camera is focusing on the leaders, and, I suppose, the angle for the chartmaker is changed. This is why, especially at NYRA tracks, a good majority of the charts show horses GAINING the last split when they've backed up the split before it. The HUMP chart, if you will. EQUIBASE is not embarrassed by this; NYRA isn't either (and the other tracks follow suit).

I think it's time for each track to have one of its tech support people SCREEN CAPTURE from the video at the splits and then post the results on their site. They need to do it, as they have the multiple angles necessary for this. Then again, LRL and NYRA don't have enough zooms lens fcameras and they probably wouldn't want to invest in a wide angle. Why would they when very few give a **** about accuracy, just as long as their figures (based on this flawed data) are posted on time.

it wont happen they "the tracks" are happy..why would they care about it..they dont care about the player..or the horsmen..

[CSC]

Anyone see the 9th? I never thought I'd see the day Irish Mama outfinish a horse from off the pace, never mind it being on a speed favoring oval with a Contessa/Dominguez horse, the rider sitting chilly with a 3 to 4 length lead with a furlong to go. Irish Mama the biggest fader of all horses? Go figure.

I didn't have a bet on the race by the way, it was just interesting I thought.

[the_fat_man]

And the good Dr. joins my IGGY LIST OF IDIOTS; who have nothing substantive to contribute YET must **** with people, nonetheless.

Isn't this a nice forum to exchange ideas.

[Riot]

Not to hijack the thread, but another horse went down at Aqueduct today, I think it was Conformondi the winner of the 4th while galloping out - anybody know anything?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

TWO races

TWO wire jobs

Now, that's GOOD racing.

For an example of just about the UGLIEST racing around, check out the 3rd race.

There are other tracks to wager on what the heck do you want in the middle of the week this time of the year???

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

And the good Dr. joins my IGGY LIST OF IDIOTS; who have nothing substantive to contribute YET must **** with people, nonetheless.

Isn't this a nice forum to exchange ideas.

you're going to run out of people to exchange ideas with.

[Dr. Watson]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not to hijack the thread, but another horse went down at Aqueduct today, I think it was Conformondi the winner of the 4th while galloping out - anybody know anything?

how in the world did the chart guy miss it if it happened? Doesnt even say vanned off.

[Riot]

I dunno. I saw the horse go down on his right side, then raise his head. The track announcer (not Durkin) mentioned the horse lost the jockey after the post (thank you!), and a few minutes later said the jock walked off, but didn't mention the horse - so I assume not good?

[paisjpq]

the horse got up and walked off on its own.