NYRA doom and gloomers(imbeciles)

Hey NYRA bashers, yesterday's great card and without a hitch opening day produced a RECORD HANDLE for opening day!!! 15.5 million SMASHING the old mark of 14.9 million. Yeah all NYRA does is put on a great show and smash records, thats all.
Hope you imbeciles and morons who bash NYRA with groundless and baseless accusations that you only have because you read it somewhere in some rag have a great day!!!

[Pointg5]

Just think what's going to happen to the Fall Meet at Belmont, since those scumbags at Keeneland went to Poly, it's going to be at an all time high...NY racing is the future, my buddy and I probably love Keeneland more than anyone else, but he sent me an e-mail yesterday telling me that his new main tracks are Belmont and Saratoga, I already made that decision. You don't think there's going to be many, many more that make that decision...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Just think what's going to happen to the Fall Meet at Belmont, since those scumbags at Keeneland went to Poly, it's going to be at an all time high...NY racing is the future, my buddy and I probably love Keeneland more than anyone else, but he sent me an e-mail yesterday telling me that his new main tracks are Belmont and Saratoga, I already made that decision. You don't think there's going to be many, many more that make that decision...

You mean I'm not the only one who doesnt already realize that the artificial surface business is permeated by very dishonorable conmen type folks who are just trying to make a buck? And that maybe soem folks could be getting kickbacks from awarding 5 million dollar contracts to these conmen?
What a joke!!! Newsflash, for a lot less than five million you can lay down some more sand or soil and make a deeper safer cushion and surface.
Noone wants to bet Polycrap racing, its not formful. NY racing will certainly benefit frtom keenelands decision to go to Polytrack, not all horseman like that surface(despite what they tell the media, I've spoken to several here and they think swicthing to it will ruin the game, but noone wants to be a bad guy in the media) and many will pass on shipping there.

You guys are like parents that defend their kids when they are guilty of murder. Always stick to your guys and look the other way. The racing may be great but the corruption is rampant. NY Racing will be great with or without NYRA. They will always get the best horses because they will always be racing for the highest purses.

Start having some accountability at NYRA and then people will stop complaining about them. Enough with this non-profit garbage. NYRA is worse than the federal government.

Originally Posted by boldruler

You guys are like parents that defend their kids when they are guilty of murder. Always stick to your guys and look the other way. The racing may be great but the corruption is rampant. NY Racing will be great with or without NYRA. They will always get the best horses because they will always be racing for the highest purses.

Start having some accountability at NYRA and then people will stop complaining about them. Enough with this non-profit garbage. NYRA is worse than the federal government.

WHat corruption? Last time I checked a company like Magna was operating in a sea of red ink that would drown all of Asia.
NYRA continues to do what they have done for years, offer the absolute best product at the cheapest cost to customers. 3 dollars to get into the track up here. No owners have ever been stiffed on purses, and they were among the first to institute a race day detention barn. And you are dead wrong if you think horseman would always come heer anyway without those great purses and condition books.
Gulfstream used to be an elite place, this past year they must have broken the record for most cheap claiming races in one meet, CD was a nose behind with their last meet. They keep running garbage racing except for 4-5 days a meet, at both places.
NYRA is a wonderful place if you are a fan or an owner or trainer. Lemme know when CD or Gulf or anyplace does over 15 million in handle on a Wednesday, LOL!!!

i think a field trip to the adirondacks, is in order !

maybe a little hike to relax a bit,

followed by a little mountain bikin....


then catch a steam in the springs...

remove some of that 6AM tension...

relax...

[zippyneedsawin]

Day One was great.. but what was up with the delayed results? Payouts were taking forever in the early races!

Originally Posted by oracle80

WHat corruption? Last time I checked a company like Magna was operating in a sea of red ink that would drown all of Asia.
NYRA continues to do what they have done for years, offer the absolute best product at the cheapest cost to customers. 3 dollars to get into the track up here. No owners have ever been stiffed on purses, and they were among the first to institute a race day detention barn. And you are dead wrong if you think horseman would always come heer anyway without those great purses and condition books.
Gulfstream used to be an elite place, this past year they must have broken the record for most cheap claiming races in one meet, CD was a nose behind with their last meet. They keep running garbage racing except for 4-5 days a meet, at both places.
NYRA is a wonderful place if you are a fan or an owner or trainer. Lemme know when CD or Gulf or anyplace does over 15 million in handle on a Wednesday, LOL!!!

Oracle, you cant compare Saratoga to Churchill or to Gulfstream. Saratoga and Keeneland are head and shoulders above every other race track in America. You have to be fair here. But I think Saratoga is even head and shoulders above Keeneland. Saratoga has ZERO competiton in the mid-west and east and south. The only other major track is Del Mar and we all know what Cali racing is like. Keeneland's fall meet has to compete with Belmont so they have more competition for horses. There is no doubt that NYRA puts out a great product. But just imagine how much better it can be once the NYTRA is ousted.

Originally Posted by oracle80

WHat corruption? Last time I checked a company like Magna was operating in a sea of red ink that would drown all of Asia.
NYRA continues to do what they have done for years, offer the absolute best product at the cheapest cost to customers. 3 dollars to get into the track up here. No owners have ever been stiffed on purses, and they were among the first to institute a race day detention barn. And you are dead wrong if you think horseman would always come heer anyway without those great purses and condition books.
Gulfstream used to be an elite place, this past year they must have broken the record for most cheap claiming races in one meet, CD was a nose behind with their last meet. They keep running garbage racing except for 4-5 days a meet, at both places.
NYRA is a wonderful place if you are a fan or an owner or trainer. Lemme know when CD or Gulf or anyplace does over 15 million in handle on a Wednesday, LOL!!!

Oh and you mention costs to get into the track. Well Churchill charges $2 and $1 for seniors. A Twin Spiral person gets in for free. There is plenty of free parking at Churchill as well. I can't remember what Keeneland charges--I believe it is $2. So the $3 to get into Saratoga is not that big of a deal.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Oracle, you cant compare Saratoga to Churchill or to Gulfstream. Saratoga and Keeneland are head and shoulders above every other race track in America. You have to be fair here. But I think Saratoga is even head and shoulders above Keeneland. Saratoga has ZERO competiton in the mid-west and east and south. The only other major track is Del Mar and we all know what Cali racing is like. Keeneland's fall meet has to compete with Belmont so they have more competition for horses. There is no doubt that NYRA puts out a great product. But just imagine how much better it can be once the NYTRA is ousted.

The don't have to be ousted if they get somebody that holds them accountable. There is no reason for a non-profit racing organization. That is just a recipe for corruption.

Originally Posted by boldruler

The don't have to be ousted if they get somebody that holds them accountable. There is no reason for a non-profit racing organization. That is just a recipe for corruption.

Non-profits are a breeding ground for corruption. Just look at the United Way.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Non-profits are a breeding ground for corruption. Just look at the United Way.

Just look at any of them. The entire concept is a joke. Don't even get me started on NYCOTB, which manages to lose tens of millions every year.

Originally Posted by boldruler

Just look at any of them. The entire concept is a joke. Don't even get me started on NYCOTB, which manages to lose tens of millions every year.

Well some are good. Habitat for Humanity is a good one, so is American Red Cross, Salvation Army is good as well. But for the most part, non-profits are a joke when it comes to money management. This is because they dont have anyone to answer to. They ask for your money, you get a tax break if you donate so it is win win.

You guys are real brain surgeons. It was the state that decided long ago that the tracks should operate on a not for profit status. Since thats the way that the law reads, how in the world is that NYRA's fault? You have to be crazy for attempting to cricticize them on that issue.
Now that its going to change, and they are going to have bidding, good luck to those bidding against NYRA/MGM grand. MGM grand has the money to outbid anyone they choose to, and its going to operate with MGM running the slots side and NYRA running the races. MGM, like all others, hopes that someday more gambling forms will become legal in NY and they will be in the position to reap the rewards.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Oh and you mention costs to get into the track. Well Churchill charges $2 and $1 for seniors. A Twin Spiral person gets in for free. There is plenty of free parking at Churchill as well. I can't remember what Keeneland charges--I believe it is $2. So the $3 to get into Saratoga is not that big of a deal.

Arlington charges 5 bucks with a twin spires card and 6 bucks without
Now that's a ripoff for what you get.

Heck on next Sunday at Saratoga (T-shirt day) I'll pay several times to get into the track to fulfill T-shirt orders from boys left in Chicago.

Originally Posted by oracle80

You guys are real brain surgeons. It was the state that decided long ago that the tracks should operate on a not for profit status. Since thats the way that the law reads, how in the world is that NYRA's fault? You have to be crazy for attempting to cricticize them on that issue.
Now that its going to change, and they are going to have bidding, good luck to those bidding against NYRA/MGM grand. MGM grand has the money to outbid anyone they choose to, and its going to operate with MGM running the slots side and NYRA running the races. MGM, like all others, hopes that someday more gambling forms will become legal in NY and they will be in the position to reap the rewards.

Here, explain this and then tell me how great NYRA is.

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/rep...yra_report.pdf

Ruler you know as well as I do that any company(racetrack or non) that is put under a microscopic witchhunt is going to have problems uncovered.
I'd love to continue this debate but as the dreary steeplechase is about to go off it means that its time for me to walk over to the track in time for races 2-9. Sky has gotten cloudy so don't be surprised if it rains today. Later gents.

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Arlington charges 5 bucks with a twin spires card and 6 bucks without
Now that's a ripoff for what you get.

Heck on next Sunday at Saratoga (T-shirt day) I'll pay several times to get into the track to fulfill T-shirt orders from boys left in Chicago.

I agree with that Dellinger 100%. I cant see paying that much to get into any track. What makes me mad about Churchill is that they charge you when they arent racing live.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Ruler you know as well as I do that any company(racetrack or non) that is put under a microscopic witchhunt is going to have problems uncovered.
I'd love to continue this debate but as the dreary steeplechase is about to go off it means that its time for me to walk over to the track in time for races 2-9. Sky has gotten cloudy so don't be surprised if it rains today. Later gents.

I have no problem with NYRA winning the bid, but they need to hold them accountable. It is almost an unwritten joke that they can get away with anything they want because, as you know, being a Saratoga guy, they idiot politicians love their seats at Saratoga, and in exchange they let the people at NYRA run around with no oversight.

Read the report and you see how often they screw the betting public, the people that really make the game possible.

Originally Posted by oracle80

You guys are real brain surgeons. It was the state that decided long ago that the tracks should operate on a not for profit status. Since thats the way that the law reads, how in the world is that NYRA's fault? You have to be crazy for attempting to cricticize them on that issue.
Now that its going to change, and they are going to have bidding, good luck to those bidding against NYRA/MGM grand. MGM grand has the money to outbid anyone they choose to, and its going to operate with MGM running the slots side and NYRA running the races. MGM, like all others, hopes that someday more gambling forms will become legal in NY and they will be in the position to reap the rewards.

It was the state that decided that with the advice of the NYRA. You have to tell the entire story.