Feel free to pile on...

Cannon Shell · #1 07-07-2008, 01:46 PM

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/fr...-post-betting/

I guess this is a much bigger problem than I realized. There really is no excuse for the software to crash like this.

freddymo · #2 07-07-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/fr...-post-betting/

I guess this is a much bigger problem than I realized. There really is no excuse for the software to crash like this.

I wish I was there I would have pounded it called NTRA and made a big deal about the whole thing on the TODAY show then I would have given the money to Charity and asked NTRA to match it..That might have woken up these idiots to get serious about there sport

Cannon Shell · #3 07-07-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I wish I was there I would have pounded it called NTRA and made a big deal about the whole thing on the TODAY show then I would have given the money to Charity and asked NTRA to match it..That might have woken up these idiots to get serious about there sport

If it happens again and i am at the track I will do so on your behalf...

Scav · #4 07-07-2008, 02:55 PM

it was BIGS!!!

golfer · #5 07-07-2008, 02:55 PM

I can't even imagine why anyone would even think to attempt to bet on a race after it is over... unless that person has prior knowledge of it happening previously.
These bets should have been time-stamped, and it should have been clear that they were placed after the race had ended, and not been cashed. "Lucky, if somewhat dishonest"? Talk about an understatement.

So I guess everytime we see a tote delay at a racetrack, we should all try to place bets on the race after it has ended?

This happened June 28, and we are just reading about it now, and from the Paulick report, not the DRF. I think if Paulick hadn't gotten word of this, it would have never been made public.

freddymo · #6 07-07-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

it was BIGS!!!

It was the dukes

sumitas · #7 07-07-2008, 03:25 PM

Can I still bet that race ?

Bigsmc · #8 07-08-2008, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by golfer

I can't even imagine why anyone would even think to attempt to bet on a race after it is over... unless that person has prior knowledge of it happening previously.
These bets should have been time-stamped, and it should have been clear that they were placed after the race had ended, and not been cashed. "Lucky, if somewhat dishonest"? Talk about an understatement.

So I guess everytime we see a tote delay at a racetrack, we should all try to place bets on the race after it has ended?

This happened June 28, and we are just reading about it now, and from the Paulick report, not the DRF. I think if Paulick hadn't gotten word of this, it would have never been made public.

Quite possibly, they went up to bet the 5th race and saw that the 4th race was still an option (still lit up and able to be selected) as they punched up Philly Park.

You are correct on the reporting of the incident. Very disturbing that it came out in a blog over a week after it happened and not reported by one of the big three horseracing news outlets. It just fuels the paranoia that past posting happens more often than we all know.

cmorioles · #9 07-08-2008, 08:32 AM

The whole thing is a disgrace. It is clear now this happens way more often than it is ever reported.

TheSpyder · #10 07-08-2008, 09:11 AM

How many times does this happen versus a fixed race. I have no idea but would think that latter happens more.

Opinions?

BillW · #11 07-08-2008, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/fr...-post-betting/

I guess this is a much bigger problem than I realized. There really is no excuse for the software to crash like this.

However, there is an explanation ... incompetence

blackthroatedwind · #12 07-08-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder

How many times does this happen versus a fixed race. I have no idea but would think that latter happens more.

Opinions?

I guess it depends on your definition of a fixed race.

My guess is you are completely wrong.

Jax Cajun · #13 07-08-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I guess it depends on your definition of a fixed race.

My guess is you are completely wrong.

A fixed race would be Carlos Montalvo pulling up before the wire on Spring Training at Prarie Meadows about 3 weeks ago.

cmorioles · #14 07-08-2008, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jax Cajun

A fixed race would be Carlos Montalvo pulling up before the wire on Spring Training at Prarie Meadows about 3 weeks ago.

I would think if a race is fixed so a horse won't win, the jockey would do so long before the wire.

Jax Cajun · #15 07-08-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by cmfhb411

you beat me to it.

You're right, they could just check behind a horse or two. Spring Training led from the start though. Montalvo did get suspended.

cmorioles · #16 07-08-2008, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jax Cajun

You're right, they could just check behind a horse or two. Spring Training led from the start though. Montalvo did get suspended.

Not to get off subject too much, but here is the story:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/app...RTS14/80527058

If the stewards don't believe him, isn't two weeks a bit light?

SentToStud · #17 07-08-2008, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

I would think if a race is fixed so a horse won't win, the jockey would do so long before the wire.

I would too. Buit that ride was pretty bad late as he stopped riding hard for 3-4 strides. More likely incompetence than anything else. PRM 6/9 race 4.

Bobby Fischer · #18 07-08-2008, 10:04 AM

I once had a teller fail to "shut off" after the start.

The favorite broke on top by 3 lengths, so I put $2 show on it.

The Indomitable DrugS · #19 07-08-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

I would too. Buit that ride was pretty bad late as he stopped riding hard for 3-4 strides. More likely incompetence than anything else. PRM 6/9 race 4.

He did the same thing in the race on 5/26.

I believe that was the race Montalvo was suspended for. Joel Cambell rode him on 6/9.

TheSpyder · #20 07-08-2008, 11:10 AM

I'm not saying I know how much but do remember once going to the paddock at the Big T in my younger days to bet on the five. As the jockey on his horse passed he looked directly at the guy next to me and his hands moved to the side indicating "7" to the guy. I looked at the guy next to me who smiled and looked just like the jockey.

The seven won by five lengths.......and so did I