Curlins value

jpops757 · #1 04-01-2008, 10:24 PM

Has Curlins value increased with his succesful run as a 4yr old? What is is value compared to Street Sense and Hard Spun?

jcs11204 · #2 04-01-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jpops757

Has Curlins value increased with his succesful run as a 4yr old? What is is value compared to Street Sense and Hard Spun?

higher then street sense

still lower then hard spun

jcs11204 · #3 04-01-2008, 10:35 PM

im sure im wrong though, curlin is very possibly a super stallion, seems to have EVERYTHING YOU COULD WANT IN A PEDIGREE

jpops757 · #4 04-01-2008, 10:40 PM

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im sure im wrong though, curlin is very possibly a super stallion, seems to have EVERYTHING YOU COULD WANT IN A PEDIGREE

Has running as a 4yrold increased his value or did he need to get to the shed and prove his value?

letswastemoney · #5 04-01-2008, 10:46 PM

Anything he adds to his resume increases his value I would think. Even if he loses a couple, as long as he wins the BC Classic again in addition to his DWC win...I think that would be incredible for his fee.

Scav · #6 04-01-2008, 10:49 PM

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Has running as a 4yrold increased his value or did he need to get to the shed and prove his value?

Personally, I get the feeling that they only reason they are racing is because of the lawsuit, but I could be wrong. either that, or they knew they could get the #1 slot for most money won, he is real close now...

Curlin should throw 7f to 12f horses, for all surfaces. Being by Smart Strike, he should really take to the lawn if he ever got the opportunity.

I don't want to compare him to More than Ready because they are obviously way different, but More then Ready's offspring do real well on the lawn, yet he never touched a foot on it, to my memory...

Cajungator26 · #7 04-01-2008, 10:56 PM

I'm probably in the minority on this, but to me it seems premature to say that Curlin is going to be a good stallion because he's by Smart Strike. Tenpins will have two year olds racing this year, and I'm curious to see how they do before annointing Smart Strike a sire of sires.

brianwspencer · #8 04-01-2008, 11:03 PM

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I'm probably in the minority on this, but to me it seems premature to say that Curlin is going to be a good stallion because he's by Smart Strike. Tenpins will have two year olds racing this year, and I'm curious to see how they do before annointing Smart Strike a sire of sires.

Well surely there is a difference between Tenpins and Curlin that should be taken into account, no?

A gritty little horse or a world champion, best horse in the world, and likely soon to be winningest horse of all time. Maybe I don't understand breeding, but regardless of their lineage, isn't using one to judge the other's potential a little folly?

Merlinsky · #9 04-01-2008, 11:04 PM

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Personally, I get the feeling that they only reason they are racing is because of the lawsuit, but I could be wrong. either that, or they knew they could get the #1 slot for most money won, he is real close now...

I figure it's almost certainly the result of the ownership issue. I mean think about it, it'd turn it into a huge mess if they've got him cranking out the millions in stud fees and they probably figure they can get Midnight Cry's share away from them eventually and get 100% instead of 80%. They might think the contractual messes that'd be created are more costly than taking a risk and keeping him on the track and taking in the purse money they're pretty sure he'd bring in--which he has done.

The padding of the resume will help sure and the reputation in the pantheon is certainly gravy but that hasn't kept a lot of horses from checking out early. As I said, they figure 20% of Curlin is out there to be had easier while he's racing and that 20% is worth enough $$$ they'll try to be patient so they can get it. I mean think about it, as long as he's earning racing money, even if the folks suing get a piece of the purse, it's nothing to 20% of his breeding value and they'll probably sell for less than a big wig would pay for it just to get the payout. I hope those two lawyers give up the ghost and end the headache for everybody on this horse and that case.

Cajungator26 · #10 04-01-2008, 11:14 PM

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Well surely there is a difference between Tenpins and Curlin that should be taken into account, no?

A gritty little horse or a world champion, best horse in the world, and likely soon to be winningest horse of all time. Maybe I don't understand breeding, but regardless of their lineage, isn't using one to judge the other's potential a little folly?

Perhaps it is, but since we have nothing to compare it to at this point, I'm not ready to annoint Smart Strike as a sire of sires (YET.) I used Tenpins as an example because he is also out of a Deputy Minister mare (as Curlin is.) Obviously, Curlin's book will be filled with nothing but the best of mares and he'll have every chance at proving his worth as a sire (whereas Tenpins probably doesn't), but just because Smart Strike is a great sire, that doesn't mean that his sons will be. Sorry, just trying to look at it from another viewpoint.

brianwspencer · #11 04-01-2008, 11:17 PM

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Perhaps it is, but since we have nothing to compare it to at this point, I'm not ready to annoint Smart Strike as a sire of sires (YET.) I used Tenpins as an example because he is also out of a Deputy Minister mare (as Curlin is.) Obviously, Curlin's book will be filled with nothing but the best of mares and he'll have every chance at proving his worth as a sire (whereas Tenpins probably doesn't), but just because Smart Strike is a great sire, that doesn't mean that his sons will be. Sorry, just trying to look at it from another viewpoint.

And you apologize. You're crazy.

I understand it, since there is nothing else to go by, if we want to talk hypotheticals, it's as good a place as any to start.

I predict Tenpins will be an okay sire.

VOL JACK · #12 04-01-2008, 11:20 PM

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Personally, I get the feeling that they only reason they are racing is because of the lawsuit, but I could be wrong. either that, or they knew they could get the #1 slot for most money won, he is real close now...

Curlin should throw 7f to 12f horses, for all surfaces. Being by Smart Strike, he should really take to the lawn if he ever got the opportunity.

I don't want to compare him to More than Ready because they are obviously way different, but More then Ready's offspring do real well on the lawn, yet he never touched a foot on it, to my memory...

If I was Jess Jackson I would map out a campaign that included a G1 turf race, like the Arlington million. Then win the the BCC on the synthetic, that would make him a G1 winner on all 3 types of surfaces. Most importantly, he would be the only stallion in the world, to my knowledge, to accomplish that feat. That would be a hell of a marketing tool.

Cajungator26 · #13 04-01-2008, 11:21 PM

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And you apologize. You're crazy.

I understand it, since there is nothing else to go by, if we want to talk hypotheticals, it's as good a place as any to start.

I predict Tenpins will be an okay sire.

Hope so. I liked him.

Check out hip 344 ... went for 75k last month, but I thought he looked pretty good:

http://obssales.com/marcatalog/2008/344.PDF

http://www.obssales.com/marpreview/

Scav · #14 04-01-2008, 11:31 PM

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If I was Jess Jackson I would map out a campaign that included a G1 turf race, like the Arlington million. Then win the the BCC on the synthetic, that would make him a G1 winner on all 3 types of surfaces. Most importantly, he would be the only stallion in the world, to my knowledge, to accomplish that feat. That would be a hell of a marketing tool.

We can only wish that would happen here in Chicago. And you are right, a great marketing tool right there, although I doubt he will have any issues with an unfilled book, so right now, he is marketing himself

brianwspencer · #15 04-01-2008, 11:35 PM

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Hope so. I liked him.

Check out hip 344 ... went for 75k last month, but I thought he looked pretty good:

http://obssales.com/marcatalog/2008/344.PDF

http://www.obssales.com/marpreview/

I was impressed until I realized that horse was crossfiring up and down the entire time.

Or something.

Is it weird that Heart's Delight has only one other registered foal and none to have raced, though she was born in 1996?