well bred fillies

[Betsy]

check out the 3rd at Belmont today (or is the 4th, sorry!).....it's filled with very well-bred babies:

Magical Ride, by Storm Cat out of Victory Ride
This Just In, by Pulpit out of Glitter Woman

There are also fillies by the precocious sires Elusive Quality, Trippi and Five Star Day........

I'm rooting for This Just In, but this could be a loaded field.

[Betsy]

I just saw the chart of the race........nice fillies! I was rooting for This Just In.......she apparently had a bad start, so third is a pretty good effort.

Magical Ride has got a LOAD of talent, obviously....I thought her dam was unbeatable on her best days but her trainer couldn't get those consistant efforts out of her all the time....Victory Ride was crazy good when she brought her 'A' game....this is a chip off thge old block...by Storm Cat and not a massive filly very much like her dam....she also doesn't travel well like her dam....as a matter of fact, she has a pretty undesirable way of going...we'll see if she can hold up...

Originally Posted by Betsy

check out the 3rd at Belmont today (or is the 4th, sorry!).....it's filled with very well-bred babies:

Magical Ride, by Storm Cat out of Victory Ride
This Just In, by Pulpit out of Glitter Woman

There are also fillies by the precocious sires Elusive Quality, Trippi and Five Star Day........

I'm rooting for This Just In, but this could be a loaded field.

The funny thing is that there was an arguement yesterday on a thread where somebody (I think it was SentToStud) stated that "horse players don't care about pedigrees"

Is this thread any evidence?

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Magical Ride has got a LOAD of talent, obviously....I thought her dam was unbeatable on her best days but her trainer couldn't get those consistant efforts out of her all the time....Victory Ride was crazy good when she brought her 'A' game....this is a chip off thge old block...by Storm Cat and not a massive filly very much like her dam....she also doesn't travel well like her dam....as a matter of fact, she has a pretty undesirable way of going...we'll see if she can hold up...

I figure Magical Ride will be more of a sprinter than anything else.....VR didn't really want to stretch out. Joel, maybe I'm the only one who cares about pedigrees... Seriously, though - there's always a lot of interest on racing message boards around the yearling sales time, and since there is no performance to go on, it's obviously because of pedigrees. To be fair, most of my interst centers around AP Indy and his offspring, but I still find pedigrees fascinating.

[miraja2]

Me too. I love evaluating pedigree.
People who are anti-pedigree can always point to plenty of horses that had questionable pedigrees and ran brilliantly, and also brilliantly bred horses that ran questionably. My favorite example of that is a horse named Bear Witness. BW had the fairly unsusual distinction of having BOTH his sire AND his dam being former HOY. His broodmare sire was also HOY (twice). Could a pedigree get any better? But the horse was 0 for 16 on the track.
But that is not the point. Pedigree obviously does not guarantee anything.....but it does matter. Magical Ride showed that yesterday in a very impressive debut. Of course it is always hard to tell after only one race, but I think she could be a very nice filly going 7 or 8 furlongs.

[sumitas]

Racing ability does not translate to breeding success. Very few sires ever produce an offspring better than themselves. So the entire pedigree needs to be evaluated in a mating, well beyond just the dam and sire, imo. Same for the great fillies, without the right mating it's hard to produve a successful foal. BW's dam Lady's Secret. Her off spring were mostly the result of continually inbreeding Bold Ruler or Nasrullah of her top line. None of the foals showed a great deal of success yet they continued to churn out similar matings foal after foal. And they kept selling and they kept disappointing on the track.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by sumitas

the entire pedigree needs to be evaluated in a mating, well beyond just the dam and sire, imo.

You are certainly right about that, but I do think horses that win HOY are generally EXPECTED to produce fairly decent offspring. Of course it does not always work out that way. I just think it is sort of funny that a horse with 2 HOY parents would run 16 times without breaking his maiden.
I don't know if I COMPLETELY agree with your statement that, "racing ability does not translate to breeding success." It does not ALWAYS translate, but it certainly can.
Anyway, I am not in the business, and I am certainly not an expert but I LOVE pedigree analysis/discussion. I just wish there was less inbreeding.