Beyer Pace Charts

[MISTERGEE]

do any of my compadres here happen to have the beyer pace figures chart that were in one of his books as well as the early pace beaten lengths chart. i cant find my book. thanks

[Riot]

Yes, but don't have a scanner ... any way I can just lift some in particular for you?

[MISTERGEE]

is it anywhere on the net?

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, but don't have a scanner ... any way I can just lift some in particular for you?

i found the 4 f figs. now i just need the beaten lengths chart at 4 fur
if you can post those i would appreciate

[Riot]

"Beyer on Speed" 2007 ed. pg. 134:

Points are subtracted according to this lengths-behind chart for four furlongs:

Margin Points
hd - 0
nk - 1
1/2 - 1
3/4 - 2
1 - 3
1 1/4 - 4
1 1/2 - 5
1 3/4 - 5
2 - 6
2 1/4 - 7
2 1/2 - 8
2 3/4 - 8
3 - 9
3 1/4 - 10
3 1/2 - 11
3 3/4 - 11
4 - 12
4 1/4 - 13
4 1/2 - 14
4 3/4 - 14
5 - 15

[MISTERGEE]

thank you very much

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Beyer on Speed" 2007 ed. pg. 134:

Points are subtracted according to this lengths-behind chart for four furlongs:

Margin Points
hd - 0
nk - 1
1/2 - 1
3/4 - 2
1 - 3
1 1/4 - 4
1 1/2 - 5
1 3/4 - 5
2 - 6
2 1/4 - 7
2 1/2 - 8
2 3/4 - 8
3 - 9
3 1/4 - 10
3 1/2 - 11
3 3/4 - 11
4 - 12
4 1/4 - 13
4 1/2 - 14
4 3/4 - 14
5 - 15

oops, but those are the 5 fur beaten lengths chart

[Riot]

Naw, that's 4f - I rechecked and compared to the 5f in the appendix. That's what's there for 4f. The 5 furlong chart starts with neck-1, 1/2-1, 3/4-2, 1-3, 1 1/4-4 ....

Did you remember to apply track variant?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

Naw, that's 4f - I rechecked and compared to the 5f in the appendix. That's what's there for 4f. The 5 furlong chart starts with neck-1, 1/2-1, 3/4-2, 1-3, 1 1/4-4 ....

Did you remember to apply track variant?

That sure looks like the 5f chart to me.

[Riot]

Okay, someone else w/ "Beyer on Speed", find your book and help me out, here ? (so I know I am not going crazy) - page 134, 4 f chart, appendix p. 235 5f chart.

Guys, I'm looking right at it

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

Okay, someone else w/ "Beyer on Speed", find your book and help me out, here ? (so I know I am not going crazy) - page 134, 4 f chart, appendix p. 235 5f chart.

Guys, I'm looking right at it

You could very well be right that is printed in the book. I know with 100% certainty that those values posted are the ones used for 5f races. Perhaps Beyer is using the same one for 4f pace calls. I don't remember that part, though it would seem strange to do so.

[MISTERGEE]

4 f beaten length are different than 5 f beaten lengths. i believe it is something like 1 length is 3 prs at 5f and 4 pts at 4 f. i know the 4 f beaten lengths chart is in one of his books

[Riot]

Um, yeah, it's the one I posted.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

Um, yeah, it's the one I posted.

As I said, perhaps so, but it looks like a duplicate. What then are the beaten lengths for say, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 lengths at 5 furlongs in the book?

I have a sneaky suspicion they will be EXACTLY the same as what you posted for 4 furlongs.

[sham]

Beyer Points = 15/(race distance)*(beaten lengths)

[MISTERGEE]

in the appendix of beyer on speed on page 235 it shows what you have listed as the 5 f beaten lengths chart. i really do appreciate the effort though.

[Riot]

If you check to compare, the difference between the 4f chart on p. 134 (that I posted for you), and the 5f chart on p. 235, is at the following beaten length margins (but I'm glad you found your book):

Margin - points

4f: 1 1/2 - 5 5f: 1 1/2 - 4
4f: 2 1/2 - 8 5f: 2 1/2 - 7
4f: 3 1/4 - 10 5f: 3 1/4 - 9
4f: 3 1/2 - 11 5f: 3 1/2 - 10
4f: 4 1/4 - 13 5f: 4 1/4 - 12
4f: 4 1/2 - 14 5f: 4 1/2 - 13

As I said, perhaps so, but it looks like a duplicate. What then are the beaten lengths for say, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 lengths at 5 furlongs in the book?

I have a sneaky suspicion they will be EXACTLY the same as what you posted for 4 furlongs.

Yes, the charts are the same at those points.

[MISTERGEE]

i actually didnt find book. that info was in an online book review where it showed the 4 f ratings but not the beaten lengths chart for 4 f only for 5 f