Procott set up - 8/25

Scav · #1 08-22-2007, 07:11 PM

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=40381

We are also planning a boycott for the end of September to show them that we are united.

Bet Albq and bet it hard on Saturday.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=38970

The above thread at Pace Advantage talks about the boycott and procott

hoovesupsideyourhead · #2 08-22-2007, 07:21 PM

hell yes scav ..it total bs tvg needs to break off a piece.. im down and count me in great idea........

hoovesupsideyourhead · #3 08-22-2007, 07:50 PM

tom when does tvg lose the /ybet exclusive......wonder is nyra knows how much play they are missing..

Scav · #4 08-22-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

tom when does tvg lose the /ybet exclusive......wonder is nyra knows how much play they are missing..

TVG and Youbet are essentially married right now. Youbet doesn't want to piss TVG off because of a long term relationship, but they don't want to pay the cash to Tracknet.

If TVG loses the NYRA contract, they would be screwed.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #5 08-22-2007, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

TVG and Youbet are essentially married right now. Youbet doesn't want to piss TVG off because of a long term relationship, but they don't want to pay the cash to Tracknet.

If TVG loses the NYRA contract, they would be screwed.

its not open ended ..maybee your boycott could include tvg/you dont get to bet....they are holding the world to a edge of a building you go with tvg /you bet both of whom are not available in all parts of the usa..nyra must do something............

Scav · #6 08-22-2007, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

its not open ended ..maybee your boycott could include tvg/you dont get to bet....they are holding the world to a edge of a building you go with tvg /you bet both of whom are not available in all parts of the usa..nyra must do something............

This has ZERO to do with the NYRA. Honestly, I totally understand why these tracks signed exculsive contracts with TVG way back when. They didn't know what they were dealing with in TVG and 'trusted' them to deal in good faith. The fact is that TVG needs to get their act together and quick or it is possible they won't be around, especially if the NYRA doesn't renew their contract.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #7 08-22-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

This has ZERO to do with the NYRA. Honestly, I totally understand why these tracks signed exculsive contracts with TVG way back when. They didn't know what they were dealing with in TVG and 'trusted' them to deal in good faith. The fact is that TVG needs to get their act together and quick or it is possible they won't be around, especially if the NYRA doesn't renew their contract.

if nothing esle then nyra needs to be aware of the 50 mill or so they are not getting due to the way things are.. or expamd the nyra internet gaming to include the rest of the nation and world..and stick it to the tvg /you bet man

Riot · #8 08-22-2007, 11:13 PM

I tried to wade through the thread on the other site, rather unsuccessfully - just tell me, Scavs, can I use my Xpressbet or Youbet account to do this? Or do they get their cut and that's not good, etc?

Holland Hacker · #9 08-23-2007, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

if nothing esle then nyra needs to be aware of the 50 mill or so they are not getting due to the way things are.. or expamd the nyra internet gaming to include the rest of the nation and world..and stick it to the tvg /you bet man

Hooves

NYRA can not control STATE law that mandates where customers may have ADW accounts. Most states limit / restrict account wagering it is not NYRA, Youbet, Brisbet or Expressbet it is the GREEDY state legislatures that are restricting what accounts you can and can't use. Ture there is infighting with the track signals / content but that doesn't necessarily impact who you can wager with.

For example I think in NJ residents are only permitted to wager online using a NJ wgaering account, but you can pretty much place a wager on any race that has a simulcast agreement with the NJSEA.

There are two issues here:

1. State law mandating what accounts residents may have, this could probably be overridden by a federal law unfortunately that is unlikely to happen.

2. The exclusivity agreements and fees paid for the tracks signals. This is want TVG, Tracknet and Youbet are fighting about.

ceejay · #10 08-23-2007, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot

I tried to wade through the thread on the other site, rather unsuccessfully - just tell me, Scavs, can I use my Xpressbet or Youbet account to do this? Or do they get their cut and that's not good, etc?

my understanding of the action is to show our potential influence by increasing the handle in an otherwise-small pool. Last Saturday ALB in about $120,000 in handle. If we can get 300 people to put $150 into that pool that would increase their handle by over a third. Our hope is that we get noticed.

It doesn't really matter which ADW you use for the purposes of this. Scav thinks that it would be counterproductive to use a service that is "part of the problem" because they get their cut anyway.

I have accounts all over the place -- youbet, Bris, and PTC. I will be using the in a latter for this purpose.

Scav · #11 08-23-2007, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot

I tried to wade through the thread on the other site, rather unsuccessfully - just tell me, Scavs, can I use my Xpressbet or Youbet account to do this? Or do they get their cut and that's not good, etc?

Personal opinion here but I think what is going on at Albq this weekend is way to quick. I don't understand the financial impact that doing this 'procott' has on the ADW's and Tracknet/TVG. I am hoping that this has some minor success so when the full fledged boycott happens, we really catch their attention

ceejay · #12 08-23-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Personal opinion here but I think what is going on at Albq this weekend is way to quick. I don't understand the financial impact that doing this 'procott' has on the ADW's and Tracknet/TVG. I am hoping that this has some minor success so when the full fledged boycott happens, we really catch their attention

I agree that it is too quick.

Bobby Fischer · #13 08-23-2007, 09:20 AM

have you guys ever thought about organizing your Procott to a single race and wager?

for example: If everyone involved wagered $20 on say the Trifecta in Race1 at Albq...
100 players would add $2,000 for that trifecta pool.

You may get better actual participation with a moderate wager. Most importantly you could pin-point the Effect of your Procott.

Scav · #14 08-23-2007, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

have you guys ever thought about organizing your Procott to a single race and wager?

for example: If everyone involved wagered $20 on say the Trifecta in Race1 at Albq...
100 players would add $2,000 for that trifecta pool.

You may get better actual participation with a moderate wager. Most importantly you could pin-point the Effect of your Procott.

I couldn't agree more, but this thing hasn't been thought out properly and I am praying that the effect is noticably

Holland Hacker · #15 08-23-2007, 11:17 AM

I would think that if the organizers want to get the attention of the tracks than they should go after their wallets. I know that this would be very difficult to pull off but if it worked it would certainly get the attention of a tracks management.

My suggestion is to try and create a Minus pool at a Magna or Churchill downs track. By creating a minus pool the track woould suffer economically, the hard part would be selecting a race with a field that could almont guarantee a minus pool. I would obviosuly suggest making show wagers and if enough people had the correct winning tickets than the track would lose money and you would have the tracks attention. The problem is if the track knew in advance that this was happening then they would not offer show wagering, but in they case they also lose money as they do not get their take out.

Just a thought I had, probably very difficult to pull off though.

ceejay · #16 08-27-2007, 11:23 AM

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=40462

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The initial wagering protest involved focused betting on the Aug. 25 card at The Downs Racetrack & Casino at Albuquerque. The group claimed victory, saying its influence was felt in helping raise the off-track handle 78.6% to $126,057 from a $70,596 total recorded at the track Aug. 17.

“Unofficially, today's handle was the highest of the meet,” the track’s racing secretary, Stuart Slagle, wrote Aug. 25 in a post on PaceAdvantage.com