Storm Cat and Chef-de-Race

Can someone explain to me as to why Storm Cat is not on Dr Romans list of Chef-de-race horses? I am not too familiar with Dr Roman and everything that he writes so a little education would be appreciated.

[Sightseek]

If you find the time, read his website (primarily the articles) they offer some good insight and 'brain food' whether you agree with the theories or not. My favorite article is; "They Don't Make Them Like They Used To" One criticism of the chef-de-race list is that it is so rarely updated. The addition of Buckaroo and Pleasant Colony, see link below, does provide an explaination of why they were added.

http://www.chef-de-race.com/dosage/c...ant_colony.htm

Originally Posted by Sightseek

If you find the time, read his website (primarily the articles) they offer some good insight and 'brain food' whether you agree with the theories or not. My favorite article is; "They Don't Make Them Like They Used To" One criticism of the chef-de-race list is that it is so rarely updated. The addition of Buckaroo and Pleasant Colony, see link below, does provide an explaination of why they were added.

http://www.chef-de-race.com/dosage/c...ant_colony.htm

Thanks Sightseek. I have been reading and it is very interesting to say the least. But I am still dont understand why Storm Cat is not on the list. I think he has had an impact on the breed. Not sure if he would be a I, C or S. But that isnt for me to decide.

Within a few years of his death, im sure Dr. Roman will add him to the list. He has left an impact and has been the premiere stallion of his day.

More importantly though, some stallions such as Alleged have been ignored by Roman. Would love to know the reasoning behind that.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Can someone explain to me as to why Storm Cat is not on Dr Romans list of Chef-de-race horses? I am not too familiar with Dr Roman and everything that he writes so a little education would be appreciated.

from the website:

>>>Contrary to a misconception held by many critics of Dosage, the selection of a chef-de-race is not necessarily an affirmation of a superior record at stud. That chefs-de-race usually emerge from among prominent sires is generally true because prominent sires are more likely to generate sufficient data for an accurate analysis of their aptitudinal influence through one or two generations, directly and through sons and daughters. <<<<

Sounds like a bunch of doubletalk to me, but you get the idea...

Originally Posted by Balletto

Within a few years of his death, im sure Dr. Roman will add him to the list. He has left an impact and has been the premiere stallion of his day.

More importantly though, some stallions such as Alleged have been ignored by Roman. Would love to know the reasoning behind that.

Does the horse have to be dead in order to be on the list? And I also agree with on you Alleged. I also wonder if Forestry will get on the list as well. He seems to be making an impact as well.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Does the horse have to be dead in order to be on the list? And I also agree with on you Alleged. I also wonder if Forestry will get on the list as well. He seems to be making an impact as well.

Well I just found out that the horse doesnt need to be dead. I saw Sadler's Wells on this list so I found the answer.

[slotdirt]

So Pleasant Colony is an I?

Originally Posted by slotdirt

So Pleasant Colony is an I?

Seems that way which doesnt make sense to me at all. Derby, Preakness, Woodward and Wood and he gets an I. I figure he would be a S.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Well I just found out that the horse doesnt need to be dead. I saw Sadler's Wells on this list so I found the answer.

No, you dont have to be dead. But it appears many of his selections occur after a death. I wonder if its to "insure" the placement of dosage. If the stallion doesnt have any more foals to race, they cant prove his designation wrong.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Seems that way which doesnt make sense to me at all. Derby, Preakness, Woodward and Wood and he gets an I. I figure he would be a S.

I think he stated his reasonings pretty well for that one in the body of the article.

I think Dr. Roman's approach to the breed is interesting and should be read by all breeders and people interested in pedigree. But with that said, although I think there can be some valueable tools in his findings with Chef's and Dosage, its more of a very loose barometer of common sense.

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I think he stated his reasonings pretty well for that one in the body of the article.

He does, but what I dont understand is he seems to not give any influence to the dam. Maybe the speed inheirted to PC offspring is coming from the Dam. He used Pleasant Tap as an example. Maybe PT got his speed from Never Knock. I am thinking unreasonably or am I missing something here?

Originally Posted by Balletto

I think Dr. Roman's approach to the breed is interesting and should be read by all breeders and people interested in pedigree. But with that said, although I think there can be some valueable tools in his findings with Chef's and Dosage, its more of a very loose barometer of common sense.

I will say that Dr Roman's approach is very interesting. I love the read and his analysis. I have recently gotten interested in pedigree.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I will say that Dr Roman's approach is very interesting. I love the read and his analysis. I have recently gotten interested in pedigree.

You may also find reading about the x-factor interesting as well.

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You may also find reading about the x-factor interesting as well.

Thanks Sightseek. I appreciate your help.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Thanks Sightseek. I appreciate your help.

Anytime.

[Jax Cajun]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

He does, but what I dont understand is he seems to not give any influence to the dam. Maybe the speed inheirted to PC offspring is coming from the Dam. He used Pleasant Tap as an example. Maybe PT got his speed from Never Knock. I am thinking unreasonably or am I missing something here?

Pleasant Tap ran a great race only to fall short to AP Indy in that BC Classic. He unleashed a furious run at the end there.

[jpops757]

This is all good info but to me this is kinda like capping a race after they have run it. Always an excuse for the loosers and lets move the winners up. The excuse they always use is the everyday capper dosent understand the "smart people". This is more of a match up tool for breeding but a worn out tool for capping races. It fails as often as it produces the winners. Dosage is realy more of a guage to prove who cant more than who can.