Desormeaux Ends 0 for 54 Skid

[Rupert Pupkin]

With his win aboard Hold That Thought in Monday's 4th race at Saratoga, Desormeax broke an 0 for 54 skid at the Spa. He had started the meet pretty hot but then he turned ice-cold and could not buy a win. Anyway, he finally broke the skid.

[timmgirvan]

Nice to know that's you, Richi! Hope things are good for you and yours! TMG

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

With his win aboard Hold That Thought in Monday's 4th race at Saratoga, Desormeax broke an 0 for 54 skid at the Spa. He had started the meet pretty hot but then he turned ice-cold and could not buy a win. Anyway, he finally broke the skid.

Hey bro...question for ya. I don't recall reading anything you may have said about his ride on Relaxed Gesture in the Sword Dancer. Anyways, what did you think of the ride and does a ride like that have any bearing on what type of wagering you may do on that jock in the future?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GPK

Hey bro...question for ya. I don't recall reading anything you may have said about his ride on Relaxed Gesture in the Sword Dancer. Anyways, what did you think of the ride and does a ride like that have any bearing on what type of wagering you may do on that jock in the future?

I actually thought he did the right thing on Relaxed Gesture. When Ramazutti challenged him on the clubhouse turn, I thought he was correct to take back and let Ramazutti go. You don't want to go head and head in a 1 1/2 mile race. He ended up getting into a little trouble on the far turn but it didn't make much diference. He didn't have any horse.

I'm not a big fan of Dersormeaux but if I like his horse I don't have a problem betting on him. There is no jockey that I won't bet on.

[Gander]

Hes hard for me to bet on and I'll tell you why. It doesnt seem to bother him when he delivers a bad ride or gets beat on a very low priced favorite on a ride that showed little effort. I've seen this guy after 2 races this year when he failed to be in contention with horses in the 3/5 range. He didnt look like he at all cared one bit. No thanks, I'd rather have a guy who is really trying hard out there than a pompass Southern California brat whos had everything handed to him.

[Gander]

Kent D should take a lesson from the way Prado rode Naughty NY'er yesterday. Edgar completely took the horse out of his element because he obviously read the drf before the race and knew the horse had to change his running style to win that race.

Kent D rode Relaxed Gesture as if there were horses in there with sprinting speed that were going to come 5-10 lengths back to the field.

[Gander]

Let me just add that I did not bet Relaxed Gesture to win at 3/5 but I did key him in many bets. I dont think he was going to win that race with any ride but as a bettor, I want a chance. I dont want to rip up my ticket halfway through the race because a guy who gets paid very well is lousy at his job.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Gander

Kent D should take a lesson from the way Prado rode Naughty NY'er yesterday. Edgar completely took the horse out of his element because he obviously read the drf before the race and knew the horse had to change his running style to win that race.

Kent D rode Relaxed Gesture as if there were horses in there with sprinting speed that were going to come 5-10 lengths back to the field.

There is no way in the world that Prado planned on doing what what he did in that race yesterday. It had nothing to do with preparation before the race. It was a split-second decision he made in the middle of the clubhouse turn. He actually took back at the beginning of the race. But he found himself six-wide in the middle of the clubhouse turn. He knew they were absolutely crawling up front so he decided to move early for two reasons. The first reason was because they were going so slow. The second reason was because he thought he would actually save some ground. He didn't want to stay six-wide all the way around the clubhouse turn. So he had two choices. He could have taken back and dropped back to last but he didn't want to do that becuase they were going so slow. So instead he decided to speed up to get a little better position and not go so wide. Unfortunately for him, when Chowder's First saw what Prado was doing, Chowder's First decided to move also and this forced Edgar to stay really wide.

It was just a bad situation for Edgar. He was in a really bad position and he was pretty much screwed no matter what. At that point, he was going to get a bad trip no matter what. He just had to decided which trip would be the lesser of the three evils. He made a split second decision to send the horse which he figured was a better choice than his other two options. He ended up getting a terrible trip, but his horse was so much the best that he still won fairly easily.

But as I said before, this was not something he planned on doing from pre-race preparation. He actually took back at the beginning of the race. If he had planned on being close to the lead, he would have sent the horse from the beginning. This was one of those cases where pre-race preparation went out the window due to the unexpected way the race unfolded.

[Kasept]

I concur with Richi's assessment above. On top of the situation unfolding as it did, Edgar likely knew he had tons of horse. Pat Kelly stopped by yesterday and said he thought "NNY" was coiled and ready to spring... Good race...

[quote=Rupert Pupkin]There is no way in the world that Prado planned on doing what what he did in that race yesterday. It had nothing to do with preparation before the race. It was a split-second decision he made in the middle of the clubhouse turn. He actually took back at the beginning of the race. But he found himself six-wide in the middle of the clubhouse turn. He knew they were absolutely crawling up front so he decided to move early for two reasons. The first reason was because they were going so slow. The second reason was because he thought he would actually save some ground. He didn't want to stay six-wide all the way around the clubhouse turn. So he had two choices. He could have taken back and dropped back to last but he didn't want to do that becuase they were going so slow. So instead he decided to speed up to get a little better position and not go so wide. Unfortunately for him, when Chowder's First saw what Prado was doing, Chowder's First decided to move also and this forced Edgar to stay really wide.

Edgar's ride was brilliant. He now leads the standings by 4. Johnny and Rafael are tied for 2nd and Coa, Cornelio Velasquez and Gomez are tied for 4th. Gomez is an iceman, 0-24 and hasn't ridden a winner wince Builders Option. Johnny nailed his ass good in the 2nd race yesterday.

[Gander]

Gomez and Kent D are 1 for their last 83 combined? Say it aint so?

[Gander]

I think theres more to it Rupert. He knew by reading the drf the race was going to have a probable slower than needed pace for the Naughter NY'er to do his come from behind thing. Thats why he had him closer to the pace right from the get go.

Prado is far superior to Kent D. Not even close. Its like comparing David Ortiz with A Rod when it comes to clutch hitting.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Johnny nailed his ass good in the 2nd race yesterday.[/quote]

I thought I was home-free on that first-timer in the 2nd race yesterday. I had $200 to win and place on that horse. That was a heart-breaking loss. It's pretty rare to lose a race like that. How often does a horse that you blow by at the 1/8th pole come back and beat you? I can't fault the ride. It was a case of Pletcher's horse being fitter than Weaver's horse. Weaver is not a guy that has his first-timers cranked up. He only wins with first-timers at a 7% clip. I knew that going in but I had seen that horse work at the Ocala Feb Sale and I thought the horse could run so I bet him despite the fact that I thought he might be a little short.

Originally Posted by Gander

Gomez and Kent D are 1 for their last 83 combined? Say it aint so?

Its so. No way can Gomez stay with Prado. Frieze and Anderson aren't exactly buddies after that Bailey split up and Prado is just far superior to Gomez. Frieze will just take mounts on claimers every time anyone gets close to Prado and open up.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Gander

I think theres more to it Rupert. He knew by reading the drf the race was going to have a probable slower than needed pace for the Naughter NY'er to do his come from behind thing. Thats why he had him closer to the pace right from the get go.

Prado is far superior to Kent D. Not even close. Its like comparing David Ortiz with A Rod when it comes to clutch hitting.

He didn't have him closer to the pace from the get go. He was dead-last going into the clubhouse turn.

[Gander]

Okay, by the half the horse was right up with the leaders then dropped back accordingly. He knew he had tons of horse and he knew going into the race what he may have to do and did it to win. That was a nice ride.
Of those 54 horses Desormeaux lost with, how many do you think Prado would have gotten home first?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Gander

Okay, by the half the horse was right up with the leaders then dropped back accordingly. He knew he had tons of horse and he knew going into the race what he may have to do and did it to win. That was a nice ride.
Of those 54 horses Desormeaux lost with, how many do you think Prado would have gotten home first?

I have no idea if Desormeaux cost any of those horses the race. I haven't watched closely enough.

[Rupert Pupkin]

[quote=oracle80]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

There is no way in the world that Prado planned on doing what what he did in that race yesterday. It had nothing to do with preparation before the race. It was a split-second decision he made in the middle of the clubhouse turn. He actually took back at the beginning of the race. But he found himself six-wide in the middle of the clubhouse turn. He knew they were absolutely crawling up front so he decided to move early for two reasons. The first reason was because they were going so slow. The second reason was because he thought he would actually save some ground. He didn't want to stay six-wide all the way around the clubhouse turn. So he had two choices. He could have taken back and dropped back to last but he didn't want to do that becuase they were going so slow. So instead he decided to speed up to get a little better position and not go so wide. Unfortunately for him, when Chowder's First saw what Prado was doing, Chowder's First decided to move also and this forced Edgar to stay really wide.

Edgar's ride was brilliant. He now leads the standings by 4. Johnny and Rafael are tied for 2nd and Coa, Cornelio Velasquez and Gomez are tied for 4th. Gomez is an iceman, 0-24 and hasn't ridden a winner wince Builders Option. Johnny nailed his ass good in the 2nd race yesterday.

What do you mean Edgar's ride was brilliant? If Gomez would have been on that horse and given that exact ride and ended up losing the race by half a length, you would say that it was one of the worst rides you had ever seen. I would actually agree with you.

[Gander]

Believe me, Desormeaux does not ride 54 horses without a chance. Its not like this guy rides for low % trainers. He rides for Frankel and Clement.
Not sure if Pletcher rides the guy, I dont think he ever does. And now I know why.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Gander

Believe me, Desormeaux does not ride 54 horses without a chance. Its not like this guy rides for low % trainers. He rides for Frankel and Clement.
Not sure if Pletcher rides the guy, I dont think he ever does. And now I know why.

Pletcher actually rode him on a horse Saturday when many of the other jocks were out of town.