hong kong betting

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

just read beyers piece on this will drf and tg expand the ranks of tracks to get into an emerging market...im in on the wagering side if i can get some sort of transcribed info..thats alot of money in the pools .. would love a chance to beat half of china out of the trifecta...

[ArlJim78]

it would be a great idea, I used to play into hong kong on a limited basis and find it very interesting.

the key point is like you said, getting good info to work with. so far the only pp's i have found through Bris are limited, and the info that they give out on the HKJC site is nice but not much more than you find in a program. you gotta believe with all that money that there is some good data out there in the Chinese world.
those are some BIG pools.

[robfla]

with the large fields and huge pools you would think that someone could come up with a product similar to drf; with points of call, fractional times, speed figs, class, etc.. Without the necessary info it's just a crap shoot to handicap. I would definitely bet it if I had the info

[TheSpyder]

[NoChanceToDance]

Surely on that form the 6 is almost unbeatable

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

ill have bet pp 7 moo shoo pork/ with mitubishi toyota in the irons

[ArlJim78]

i'll take the 16 -extra spicy and egg drop soup.

They don't have the poo poo platter. Bastards!

[hockey2315]

isn't this going to further destroy U.S. racing?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

nope they also have a dutrow/ moss.......wang/shiester-son

[TheSpyder]

I'll take three from column A, two from column B, and one from column C.....So that's how Steve Crist does the exotics.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

isn't this going to further destroy U.S. racing?

well it could be viewed that way, but maybe the competition is needed to spur the domestic groups to offer a better product.

as far as I know, during the HK season they only run twice a week, so you're looking at is only another 20 races per week, a drop in the bucket compared to what is being run over here.

Also I don't think the HK product will be everyones cup of tea either, primarily because it runs in the middle of the night over here.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

it would be a great idea, I used to play into hong kong on a limited basis and find it very interesting.

the key point is like you said, getting good info to work with. so far the only pp's i have found through Bris are limited, and the info that they give out on the HKJC site is nice but not much more than you find in a program. you gotta believe with all that money that there is some good data out there in the Chinese world.
those are some BIG pools.

Okay you know I'm a really big fan of HK racing, but I'm just a fan.

Let me ask you something... here's R8 (Class 3) at Sha Tin on Wednesday.....

Race 8 - DENVER HANDICAP
Wednesday, November 14, 2007, Sha Tin, 22:50
All Weather Track ,1800m

Prize Money: $780,000.00, Rating: 80-60, Race Class: 3

1 LUCKY CHAMPION 129 Y O Wong 1091 75 H W Lai (-5) 8 D178 -1 -
2 VICTORY TREASURE 129 C Fownes 1118 75 B Prebble 6 E031 V-/TT 1 -
3 WADADELIGHT 128 T K Ng 1037 74 W M Lai (-2) 11 C340 B -2 -
4 EVERGREEN 127 C H Yip 1188 73 C W Wong (-5) 5 E106 TT -2 -
5 NASA PEARL 127 P O'Sullivan 1110 73 G Mosse 1 C068 P2 -1 -
6 COURAGEOUSHEART 126 J Moore 1133 72 D Beadman 9 D202 B/TT 6 -
7 TACTIC KING 126 L Ho 1140 72 E Saint-Martin 2 G081 B-/V1/TT -2 -
8 MAN IN THE MIRROR 125 J Size 1135 71 D Whyte 7 H058 -1 -
9 KING HESPERUS 121 D E Ferraris 1128 67 M Nunes 4 E151 B/TT 1 -
10 FUJIAN PRINCE 119 A T Millard 1125 65 K T Yeung (-7) 10 E006 SR-/XB2/TT -1 -
11 DANESIS 118 A S Cruz 1295 64 K L Chui (-7) 12 H194 TT 0 -
12 CONNOISSEUR'S LOVE 116 A Schutz 991 62 C K Tong (-5) 3 D234 B -2 -



... and here's what i can find.

1800m Class:3 (080-060)
DENVER HANDICAP, 10:50 PM

Run Date Days Cse/Dist/
Going Draw Body Wgt Wgt Jockey RP/ FP/ ST Speed Figure Sectional Times Odds
5 NASA PEARL ( 1 ) 1110 127 G Mosse P O'Sullivan Age: 8
28/10/2007 17 HV"A" 1800 GF 1 1109 125 O Doleuze 9 / 5 /12 111 62.9,25.9,23.2 23
Pace Slow(-)(Rail-1W2W) Pushed 6.5 len. off pace, ran on. 0.6
14/10/2007 14 ST"A+3" 2000 GF 11 1111 123 O Doleuze 14 / 6 /14 110 76.7,23.6,24.0 10
Pace Good(1W1W1W2W) Eased & crossed at rear 13.5 len. off pace, ran on steadily. 0.4
26/09/2007 18 ST"C" 1800 GF 1 1092 125 O Doleuze 9 / 3 /14 114 61.0,24.5,24.3 28
Pace Fast(+) Slow part early, pushed 4.5 len. off pace, block 350-200, ran on well. 0.6
13/06/2007 105 HV"C" 2200 G 3 1108 128 B Prebble 2 / 6 / 9 108 91.1,24.9,23.8 15
Pace Too Slow(+)Strong Rail Bias(-)(1W1W1W1W1W) Pushed 1.5 len. off pace, kept on until flattened 200, quickly weakened 100m. 0.5
20/05/2007 24 ST"C+3" 1800 YS 13 1110 129 O Doleuze 13 / 9 /13 113 62.5,23.3,24.3 41
Rain! Pace Good(2W3W) Dip start, eased 9.5 len. last, made ground steadily. 0.8
29/04/2007 21 ST"A" 1800 GF 5 1106 130 O Doleuze 14 / 9 /14 111 63.1,23.9,23.4 19
Pace Slow(-)(3W4W) Little awkward start, slow part early, eased 11 len. last, made ground steadily. 0.8
09/04/2007 20 ST"A+3" 2000 GF 8 1115 129 O Doleuze 10 / 3 /12 110 78.5,24.3,21.8 19
Pace Too Slow(-)(1W2W2W3W)Eased 5 len. off pace, on heels 14, ran on strongly 4, flattened 1 but kept on. 0.5
21/03/2007 19 HV"C" 2200 G 6 1113 132 M W Leung 12 / 7 /12 105 92.6,24.5,22.8 22
Pace Too Slow(-)Rail Bias(+)(1W-Rail-1W)Eased 9.5 len. last, bump 600, made ground steadily. 0.2
FITNESS:

7 TACTIC KING ( 2 ) 1140 126 E Saint-Martin L Ho Age: 6
14/10/2007 31 ST"A+3" 2000 GF 14 1123 123 H W Lai 4 /14 /14 91 75.0,25.1,27.3 35
Pace Good(3W2W3W3W) Pushed 3 len. off pace, no cover, flattened 600 & weakened soon after. 1.1
26/09/2007 18 ST"C" 1800 GF 5 1122 128 H W Lai 1 /12 /14 103 60.3,24.6,25.9 80
Pace Fast(-) Hard ridden early to share lead, slow part early, passed 400, kept on until flattened 200 & weakened. 0.4
09/09/2007 17 ST"A" 1400 GF 10 1121 130 H W Lai 4 /13 /14 90 36.0,24.2,25.6 44
Pace Fast(+)(3W3W) Bump start, hard ridden 2.5 len. off pace, no cover, flat 450, weakened 250m. 0.6
17/06/2007 84 AW 1650 WS 2 1114 128 A Delpech 7 / 6 /14 117 51.7,24.3,24.5 19
Pace Fast; Slow part early, pushed then eased 3.5 len. off pace, slow part straight, made ground steadily, no clear running last 100m. 0.8
03/06/2007 14 ST"B+2" 1800 GF 6 1109 130 K L Chui 2 /14 /14 91 61.9,24.6,25.8 55
Pace Slow(+)(1W1W) awkward start,pushed 1 len off pace,keen, slow part straight, flat 300,not ridden out 150 (prefers softer ground) 0.4
20/05/2007 14 ST"C+3" 1800 YS 12 1118 132 A Delpech 4 /12 /13 106 61.6,23.9,25.3 24
Rain! Pace Good(2W3W) Awkward start, eased 3.5 len. off pace, no cover, flattened 250, weakened 150m. 0.5
18/04/2007 32 HV"B" 1800 GF 3 1128 132 O Doleuze 3 /11 /12 82 63.1,25.5,26.9 5.4
Pace Too Slow(+)Rail Bias(-)(Rail-1W1W1W)Slow part early,pushed then eased 3 len. off pace, flattened 4, weakened 300m. 0.6
18/03/2007 31 ST"B+2" 2000 G 6 1135 115 A Delpech 1 / 7 /14 108 74.0,25.0,25.2 7
Pace Fast(-) Bump after start, easily shared lead, slow part straight,passed 250, kept on until flat 100m. -
FITNESS:

12 CONNOISSEUR'S LOVE ( 3 ) 991 116 C K Tong(-5) A Schutz Age: 7
31/10/2007 14 HV"B" 1650 G 9 992 117 M Nunes 2 / 7 /11 109 53.0,25.5,24.0 20
Pace Too Slow(+)Rail Bias(-)(2W1W1W1W) Pushed 1 len. off pace, kept on well, led 200-110 & flattened. 0.7
26/09/2007 35 ST"C" 1800 GF 13 993 117 M Nunes 5 /11 /14 106 60.6,24.6,25.3 70
Pace Fast(-)(2W2W) Pushed 2.5 len. off pace, no cover, kept on until flattened 200 & weakened. 0.3
12/09/2007 14 HV"A" 1650 GF 1 999 118 C W Wong 3 / 7 /12 108 52.9,25.2,24.3 15
Pace Good; Slow part early, pushed 2 len. off pace, kept on to finish with main group. 0.4
03/06/2007 101 ST"B+2" 1800 GF 14 979 117 K T Yeung 1 /13 /14 94 61.8,24.6,25.6 48
Pace Slow(+) Slow part early, pushed up from wide draw to lead 1 len; pulled,passed 450m, slow part straight, weakened quickly from 200. 0.5
29/04/2007 35 ST"A" 1800 GF 11 978 119 C K Tong 2 /11 /14 103 61.4,24.8,24.7 23
Pace Slow(+) Slow part early, hard ridden to share lead, slow part straight, kept on until passed 275, flattened 200, weakened 110m. 0.4
18/04/2007 11 HV"B" 1800 GF 5 975 116 C W Wong 1 / 2 /12 110 62.5,25.6,23.8 13
Pace Too Slow(+)Rail Bias(+)(1W-Rail)Pushed to lead 2 len, slow part straight, ran on strongly until caught 50m. 0.4
25/03/2007 24 ST"C" 1600 GF 5 996 120 C W Wong 8 / 6 /11 110 49.4,24.1,23.6 16
Pace Slow(-)(1W1W)Slow part early, pushed early, on heels 1200, 4.5 len. off pace, block 350-250, made little ground. 0.6
25/02/2007 28 ST"C+3" 1600 G 12 990 131 C W Wong 1 / 1 /14 111 48.7,24.1,24.1 8.6
Pace Slow(+)Pushed hard to lead 2.5 len, slow part straight, ran on well to just win. 0.1
FITNESS:

9 KING HESPERUS ( 4 ) 1128 121 M Nunes D E Ferraris Age: 6
21/10/2007 24 AW 1650 GD 2 1128 119 M Nunes 4 / 2 /14 110 52.5,24.3,23.4 28
Pace Slow(+) Pushed 1.5 len. off pace, held ground along rails. -
01/10/2007 20 ST"C+3" 1600 GF 5 1120 122 Z Purton 5 /10 /10 101 49.7,24.0,23.8 74
Pace Too Slow(-)(1W1W) Sat 3 len. off pace, held ground until flattened 120, tired 50m. 0.2
27/05/2007 127 AW 1800 WS 12 1110 120 S Dye 11 /12 /14 98 61.9,24.8,25.1 27
Rain! Pace Fast(+)(2W2W2W2W) Pushed hard 4.5 len. off pace, never made ground. 0.5
12/05/2007 15 AW 1650 FT 1 1105 123 K L Chui 9 /13 /14 107 53.2,24.2,23.5 18
Pace Slow(-)Hard ridden & then eased 5.5 len, off pace, ran on , check 200 & weakened. 0.3
31/03/2007 42 AW 1800 FT 8 1126 125 M Nunes 4 /10 /13 103 61.5,25.3,24.4 11
Pace Good(1W1W1W2W)Pushed 2.5 len. off pace, flattened 450, weakened 200m. 0.4
10/03/2007 21 AW 1650 FT 6 1122 121 K L Chui 5 / 4 /11 111 52.8,24.1,23.5 13
Pace Good(2W2W1W1W)Eased 3 len. off pace, ran on steadily. 0.3
23/12/2006 77 AW 1650 GD 5 1098 125 M Nunes 3 / 5 /14 111 52.9,24.0,23.7 16
Pace Slow(+)(2W1W2W2W)Pushed 2.5 len. off pace,pulled held ground. 0.4
16/12/2006 7 ST"B" 1600 GF 9 1115 123 M Nunes 3 / 9 /10 108 48.3,23.5,25.2 32
Pace Fast(-)Rail Bias(+) Eased forward 4 len. off pace,checked 150,weakened 100m. 0.3
FITNESS:

4 EVERGREEN ( 5 ) 1188 127 C W Wong(-5) C H Yip Age: 6
21/10/2007 24 ST"B+2" 1400 GF 3 1187 128 C W Wong 9 /11 /14 106 36.8,23.9,23.4 55
Pace Slow(-) Eased then pushed 4.5 len. off pace, made some ground along rails. 0.3
07/10/2007 14 ST"A" 1400 GF 4 1180 128 P H Lo 4 / 8 /14 108 35.7,23.7,24.5 73
Pace Fast(+)(1W1W) Pushed 5 len. off pace, made some ground. 0.3
26/09/2007 11 ST"C" 1400 GF 9 1165 129 C W Wong 6 /12 /12 107 36.9,23.5,24.1 45
Pace Slow(-)(3W3W) Pushed 2.5 len. off pace, no cover, flattened 300 & weakened. 0.8
19/09/2007 7 HV"B" 1650 GF 7 1163 129 W M Lai 6 / 6 /12 103 54.9,25.2,22.7 4.7
Pace Too Slow(-)Rail Bias(-)(1W1W1W1W) Pushed 4.5 len. off pace, ridden along 500, made ground. 0.3
12/09/2007 7 HV"A" 1650 GF 5 1156 129 W M Lai 5 / 2 /12 110 53.3,24.9,23.9 30
Pace Good(2W2W1W1W) Ridden along 3.5 len. off pace, ran on steadily for 2nd. 0.4
02/07/2007 72 ST"B" 1600 G 8 1164 115 W M Lai 6 /13 /14 99 48.5,24.5,24.5 99
Pace Slow(-)(1W2W) Pushed 4 len. off pace, flattened 400, slow part straight, slowly weakened 200m. 0.3
03/06/2007 29 ST"B+2" 1800 GF 8 1164 128 C W Wong 3 /12 /14 99 62.0,24.6,25.0 81
Pace Slow(+) Slow part early, led early, crossed to rail & eased 2 len off pace, slow part straight, little block 3, not ridden out 200. 0.6
16/05/2007 18 HV"C" 1650 GF 10 1147 131 W M Lai 3 / 7 /12 104 54.0,24.7,23.9 7.6
Pace Slow(+)Strong Rail Bias;(1W1W-Rail)Pushed 1.5 len. off pace, slow part straight, flat 100m. 0.2
FITNESS:

2 VICTORY TREASURE ( 6 ) 1118 129 B Prebble C Fownes Age: 6
31/10/2007 14 HV"B" 1650 G 7 1119 127 Z Purton 5 / 4 /12 111 53.0,24.9,24.0 11
Pace Good; Rail Bias(-)(1W1W1W1W) Pushed early then settled 4 len. off pace, ran on strongly. 0.3
17/10/2007 14 HV"C" 1650 GF 7 1112 127 C K Tong 3 / 5 /12 112 52.2,24.5,25.2 8.5
Pace Fast(-)Strong Rail Bias(-)(1W1W1W1W) Pushed hard 3 len. off pace, ran on well until flattened 75m. 0.4
17/06/2007 122 AW 1650 WS 6 1093 124 Y T Cheng 6 / 4 /14 115 51.7,24.1,24.5 23
Pace Fast(+)(2W2W2W2W) Ridden along 3.5 len. off pace, ran on strongly. 0.5
27/05/2007 21 AW 1800 WS 3 1094 126 G Mosse 7 / 9 /14 106 61.6,24.3,25.2 7.1
Rain! Pace Fast(+) Very awkward start, hard ridden 7 len. off pace, slow part straight, ran on until flattened 150m. 0.7
12/05/2007 15 AW 1650 FT 13 1098 128 O Doleuze 11 / 4 /14 110 53.4,24.1,22.9 27
Pace Slow(-)(Rail-1W1W)Eased to cross at rear, sat 7 len. off pace, ran on strongly 3, flat 50. 0.1
22/04/2007 20 AW 1650 WF 6 1104 130 S Dye 9 / 6 /13 109 53.0,24.3,23.5 9.9
Pace Good(1W1W1W1W)eased 4.5 len off pace, awkward & bump start,awkward 500,little check 4, held ground. 0.4
04/02/2007 77 ST"A+3" 2000 GF 5 1097 129 C K Tong 1 / 9 /14 106 75.5,24.2,25.2 13
Pace Good; Pushed hard 1 len. off pace, took lead 11, slow part straight, passed 250, kept on until weakened 150m. 0.3
17/01/2007 18 HV"B" 1800 GY 5 1091 128 F Coetzee 3 / 3 /12 115 61.3,25.0,24.7 6.7
Pace Good; Strong Rail Bias(+)(1W-Rail)Pushed 1.5 len. off pace, ran on strongly to just miss. 0
FITNESS:

8 MAN IN THE MIRROR ( 7 ) 1135 125 D Whyte J Size Age: 5
03/11/2007 11 ST"C+3" 1600 GF 10 1142 125 F Coetzee 7 / 9 /10 109 50.0,23.3,23.7 7.3
Pace Too Slow(-)(2W3W) Eased 6 len. off pace, moved closer 3L 500, flattened 200m. 0.5
14/10/2007 20 ST"A+3" 2000 GF 13 1126 122 F Coetzee 12 / 5 /14 114 76.4,23.8,24.0 7
Pace Good(2W2W1W2W) Pushed then settled 12 len. off pace, check 400, ran on steadily. 0.8
01/10/2007 13 ST"C+3" 1600 GF 10 1120 129 D Whyte 7 / 6 /10 107 49.8,23.7,23.7 3.9
Pace Too Slow(-)(2W2W) Eased 3 len. off pace, made ground late. 0.4
02/07/2007 91 ST"B" 1600 G 7 1131 128 F Coetzee 6 / 4 /14 114 48.8,24.0,23.8 15
Pace Good; pushed 3.5 len. off pace, block most of straight, bump 220, check 250, never fully tested! 0.5
03/06/2007 29 ST"B+2" 1800 GF 5 1118 125 D Nikolic 11 / 6 /14 110 62.5,24.5,23.2 22
Pace Slow(-)(2W3W) 5 len off pace,little check 6,block 4,bump 2,ran on well (mouth ulcer) 0.6
10/03/2007 85 ST"A+3" 1800 GF 4 1129 126 D Whyte 4 / 9 /12 109 63.2,23.9,22.9 14
Pace Slow(+)(2W2W)Eased 2 len. off pace, held ground. 0.3
25/02/2007 13 ST"C+3" 1800 G 4 1133 126 D Whyte 4 / 7 /14 109 62.1,24.5,23.6 2.5
Pace Slow(+)Slow part early, pushed hard 1 len. off pace,tightened & bumps 16,slow part straight,flat 200m. 0.4
04/02/2007 21 ST"A+3" 2000 GF 3 1137 124 D Whyte 4 / 2 /14 114 75.8,24.1,24.0 2.7
Pace Good(Rail-1W2W) Pushed 1.8 len. off pace, slow part straight, took lead 250, caught 150, ran on strongly to just miss. 0.4
FITNESS:

1 LUCKY CHAMPION ( 8 ) 1091 129 H W Lai(-5) Y O Wong Age: 7
21/10/2007 24 AW 1650 GD 1 1084 129 O Doleuze 5 / 6 /14 108 52.8,24.2,23.8 8.2
Pace Slow(-)(Rail-1W) Dip start, pushed 3.5 len. off pace, held ground. 0.2
23/09/2007 28 ST"B+2" 1600 GF 2 1080 125 H W Lai 4 / 4 /10 112 48.5,23.7,24.3 47
Pace Good; Slow part early, pushed 2 len. off pace, held ground. 0.4
27/05/2007 119 AW 1800 WS 2 1079 129 M Nunes 5 / 5 /14 110 61.4,24.4,24.6 10
Rain! Pace Fast; (1W1W1W1W) Settled 5 len. off pace, ran on well. 0.4
12/05/2007 15 AW 1650 FT 12 1098 132 M Nunes 14 / 7 /14 112 53.7,24.0,22.8 24
Pace Slow(-)(Rail-1W1W)Eased to cross at rear, 8 len. off pace, last, on heels 2, made ground on rail. 0.3
29/04/2007 13 ST"A" 1600 GF 2 1101 116 C W Wong 4 /10 /13 110 48.9,23.7,24.1 35
Pace Good(1W1W) Slow part early, eased 7 len. off pace, made no progress. 0.7
20/02/2007 68 ST"C" 1600 G 5 1092 114 K W Tsui 1 / 7 /13 111 48.9,23.7,24.0 59
Pace Slow(+) Slow part early, pushed to lead 0.5 len, slow part straight, caught 300, flattened 200m. 0.6
31/01/2007 20 AW 1650 GD 5 1098 131 F Coetzee 10 / 6 /14 114 53.0,23.9,23.4 11
Pace Slow(-)Off Rail Bias(+)(2W2W2W2W) Little slow away, pushed 4.5 len. off pace, ran on steadily. 0.4
26/12/2006 36 ST"C+3" 1800 GF 8 1084 116 Y T Cheng 13 / 4 /13 110 62.8,23.7,23.0 80
Pace Good(1W2W) Eased 6 len early, pushed back 2 len at 1400, ran on strongly. 0.1
FITNESS:

6 COURAGEOUSHEART ( 9 ) 1133 126 D Beadman J Moore Age: 6
03/11/2007 11 ST"C+3" 1600 GF 9 1140 119 D Beadman 4 / 1 /10 112 49.5,23.5,23.2 14
Pace Too Slow(+)(1W2W) Hard ridden 2.5 len. off pace, took lead 300, ran on strongly to win. 0.2
21/10/2007 13 AW 1650 GD 6 1131 120 D Beadman 12 / 7 /14 109 53.1,24.2,23.6 10
Pace Slow(-)(1W1W3W3W) Pushed early then eased 6.5 len. off pace, made some ground. 0.7
14/10/2007 7 ST"A+3" 2000 GF 7 1134 116 D Beadman 6 / 7 /14 110 75.4,24.1,24.8 7.5
Pace Good(2W1W1W2W) Pushed then settled 5 len. off pace, ran on well until flattened 60m. 0.5
26/09/2007 18 ST"C" 1800 GF 2 1129 119 Z Purton 7 / 6 /14 112 60.7,24.5,24.7 59
Pace Fast(+) Slow part early, pushed hard 3 len. off pace, bumps 400, check 375, block 430-200, kept on. 0.7
15/09/2007 11 ST"A+3" 1400 GF 10 1136 120 Z Purton 11 /12 /14 102 36.9,23.6,23.7 35
Pace Fast(+)(1W2W) Pushed hard 7.5 len. off pace, made some ground. 0.2
03/06/2007 104 ST"B+2" 1800 GF 4 1119 119 F Coetzee 5 / 8 /14 108 62.1,24.4,23.8 12
Pace Slow(+)(1W2W) Slow part early, pushed 2.5 len off pace,little block 3, ran on well until flat 100. 0.6
20/05/2007 14 ST"C+3" 1800 YS 8 1120 120 G Mosse 7 / 6 /13 110 61.7,23.6,24.7 8.4
Rain! Pace Good(3W4W) Pushed 5 len. off pace, ran on until flattened 100m. 0.6
29/04/2007 21 ST"A" 1800 GF 3 1125 117 D Beadman 9 / 2 /14 110 62.5,24.1,23.3 8.4
Pace Slow(-)(1W3W) Slow part early, pushed then settled 6.5 len. off pace, led 200 briefly, kept on strongly. 0.4
FITNESS:

10 FUJIAN PRINCE ( 10 ) 1125 119 K T Yeung(-7) A T Millard Age: 6
31/10/2007 14 HV"B" 1650 G 2 1123 119 K T Yeung 6 / 6 /11 112 53.5,25.5,23.5 6.6
Pace Too Slow(-)Rail Bias(-)(1W1W2W2W) Settled 4 len. off pace, pulled, made ground. 0.9
21/10/2007 10 AW 1650 GD 5 1114 121 K Shea 5 /10 /14 101 52.8,24.2,24.8 12
Pace Slow(-)(2W2W1W2W) Pushed 3.5 len. off pace, flattened 400 & weakened. 0.6
09/09/2007 42 ST"A" 1400 GF 5 1133 122 K Shea 11 / 4 /14 107 36.5,23.3,24.2 99
Pace Fast(+)(2W2W) Sat 4 len. off pace, held ground. 0.3
17/06/2007 84 AW 1650 WS 11 1117 119 M Nunes 9 / 9 /14 110 51.9,24.1,24.5 11
Pace Fast(+)(1W-Rail-1W1W) Little slow away, pushed 5 len. off pace, ran on. 0.2
27/05/2007 21 AW 1800 WS 14 1106 119 K T Yeung 12 / 6 /14 108 62.2,24.1,24.4 9.4
Rain! Pace Fast(+)(2W2W1W2W) Eased 11 len. off pace, made ground steadily. 0.5
12/05/2007 15 AW 1650 FT 2 1121 119 K T Yeung 5 / 2 /14 114 52.8,24.3,23.0 4.1
Pace Slow(-)(Rail-1W1W)Pushed & then eased 3.5 len. off pace, block 350, ran on well for 2nd. 0.2
22/04/2007 20 AW 1650 WF 1 1110 114 M Nunes 5 / 1 /13 114 52.6,24.4,23.0 6.1
Pace Good;Slow part early, pushed 2 len off pace, joined leader 150 and fought on well. 0.3
25/03/2007 28 AW 1650 GD 10 1105 129 K T Yeung 10 / 1 /12 111 53.2,24.1,23.3 10
Pace Fast(+)(1W1W1W2W)Slow away, 5.5 len. off pace, on heels 1450, pulled, ran on strongly to win. 0.2
FITNESS:

3 WADADELIGHT ( 11 ) 1037 128 W M Lai(-2) T K Ng Age: 7
03/11/2007 11 AW 1650 GD 8 1057 114 S K Sit 8 /11 /11 92 52.3,24.3,27.0 37
Pace Bias(-)(4W4W4W5W) Settled 4.5 len. off pace, flattened 400 & weakened soon after. 1.8
21/10/2007 13 AW 1650 GD 13 1043 131 B Prebble 11 /13 /14 104 53.1,24.0,24.8 29
Pace Slow(-)(4W2W3W3W) Eased 5 len. off pace, flattened 350 & weakened. 1
07/10/2007 14 ST"A" 1600 GF 4 1046 131 A Delpech 7 / 8 /11 106 48.7,24.4,24.4 99
Pace Good(1W1W) Sat 3 len. off pace, kept on fairly until flattened 220 & weakened. 0.7
23/09/2007 14 ST"B+2" 1400 G 13 1043 131 W M Lai 8 /13 /14 92 36.7,24.3,24.5 99
Pace Slow(-)(2W3W) Eased 3.5 len. off pace, flattened 320 & weakened soon after. 0.4
27/05/2007 119 AW 1800 WS 9 1041 131 P H Lo 6 /14 /14 - - - - 25
Rain! Pace Fast(-)(1W-Rail) Hard ridden to get a forward position until weakened sharply 900m, slow part straight. 0.3
12/05/2007 15 AW 1200 FT 2 1047 114 S K Sit 12 / 8 /12 101 25.1,22.4,23.2 48
Pace Good(1W1W) Pushed hard 7.5 len. last, held ground. 0.1
22/04/2007 20 AW 1650 GD 5 1054 120 A Delpech 10 / 5 /14 113 53.0,24.4,22.7 10
Pace Too Slow(-)(1W1W1W1W) 5 len. off pace, made ground steadily. 0.2
25/03/2007 28 AW 1650 GD 8 1045 119 C K Tong 8 /14 /14 100 52.2,24.8,25.3 19
Pace Good(3W3W3W3W)Eased 4.5 len. off pace, no cover, unbalanced 1200, bumped 600, weakened 300. 1.2
FITNESS:

11 DANESIS ( 12 ) 1295 118 K L Chui(-7) A S Cruz Age: 3
21/10/2007 24 AW 1650 GD 8 1287 117 K L Chui 2 / 3 /14 112 52.5,24.3,23.6 4.2
Pace Slow(+)(1W1W1W1W) Pushed hard 1 len. off pace, kept on strongly until flattened 50m. 0.2
23/09/2007 28 AW 1650 GD 2 1267 132 S K Sit 1 / 1 /13 106 51.6,24.8,24.6 7.4
Pace Bias(+) Pushed to lead 1 len, joined 400, ran on strongly to hold off challenger. -
24/06/2007 91 ST"A" 1400 GF 9 1249 127 E Saint-Martin 4 / 5 / 9 107 36.1,24.3,24.0 3.8
Pace Good(2W3W) Pushed 1.5 len. off pace, no cover form 700, one paced in straight. 0.5
27/05/2007 28 ST"A+3" 1200 GY 9 1260 125 G Mosse 5 / 6 /11 109 25.1,23.4,22.9 5.5
Pace Slow(-)(2W3W) Pushed 3 len. off pace, no cover, made little ground. 0.5
01/05/2007 26 ST"B" 1400 GF 4 1279 127 G Mosse 5 / 4 / 5 99 37.8,24.3,22.7 4.1
Pace Too Slow(-)3.5 len. off pace,last, on heels 1200, slow part straight, made little ground. 0.2
25/02/2007 65 ST"C+3" 1000 G 2 1237 127 G Mosse 6 / 2 / 9 111 14.0,21.2,22.6 2.1
Pace Good; Little slow away, pushed 4 len. off pace, ran on strongly 100 to just miss. 0.4
FITNESS:

So this combined with replays of every single horse, every race, trackwork video, pre-import video and pp's, vet's reports, gelding reports, workouts, barrier trials, equipment changes, swiming.... I'm just trying to figure out what is lacking cause chances are, it's available.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Okay you know I'm a really big fan of HK racing, but I'm just a fan.

Let me ask you something... here's R8 (Class 3) at Sha Tin on Wednesday.....


So this combined with replays of every single horse, every race, trackwork video, pre-import video and pp's, vet's reports, gelding reports, workouts, swiming.... I'm just trying to figure out what is lacking cause chances are, it's available.

can you look at those data listings and make any meaningful decisions? maybe a lot of it is good data, but the format is not good. I would like to see standard running lines with beaten lengths at various points of call, like we have in the DRF. I have seen beaten lengths only at the finish. Using that I can visualize a lot without having to look at replays which is a good thing to do but very time consuming if you have to do it for every horse in every race.
No doubt there is a lot of info available as you have pointed out (swimming, vet report, etc) but its not anything that i can look at quickly and get a feel for what part of the form cycle the horse is in.

[wigmore]

has anybody mentioned what time these races are actually run? The feature races on a card are usually run around miudnight Pacific or 3 am Eastern. Cant see these races ever getting too much US action..

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

can you look at those data listings and make any meaningful decisions? maybe a lot of it is good data, but the format is not good. I would like to see standard running lines with beaten lengths at various points of call, like we have in the DRF. I have seen beaten lengths only at the finish. Using that I can visualize a lot without having to look at replays which is a good thing to do but very time consuming if you have to do it for every horse in every race.
No doubt there is a lot of info available as you have pointed out (swimming, vet report, etc) but its not anything that i can look at quickly and get a feel for what part of the form cycle the horse is in.

Fair enough.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by wigmore

has anybody mentioned what time these races are actually run? The feature races on a card are usually run around miudnight Pacific or 3 am Eastern. Cant see these races ever getting too much US action..

Good point but to be fair, Happy Valley often runs earlier.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

better known as :


CHICKENSCRATCH

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

just read beyers piece on this will drf and tg expand the ranks of tracks to get into an emerging market...im in on the wagering side if i can get some sort of transcribed info..thats alot of money in the pools .. would love a chance to beat half of china out of the trifecta...

hooves, Hong Kong racing was apparently a gold mine 20 years ago. The bettors' capping skills were virtually non-existant. Betting by lucky number was an important component of most pools.

A blackjack card counter named Bill Benter moved to Hong Kong, developed his own software to look for inefficiencies in the Hong Kong pools and made multi-millions. Sophisticated groups from Australia and elsewhere followed, and things eventually got tighter (more efficient). I don't know what the situation is like there now.

Here are a couple of links that mention Benter:

http://www.laytheodds.com/horseracin...se-Racing.html

http://www.insidepokermag.co.uk/raci...yndicates.html

The first link mentions that RaceMate (racematenet.com) has a strong database of Hong Kong PP's. They have an online demo at:
http://www.racematenet.com/english/online_demo_eng.htm

--Dunbar

[TheSpyder]

You are correct, Chickenscratch is the #7 and won paying 43.65. You're one hell of a capper!!

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

better known as :


CHICKENSCRATCH