Borel's in Preakness

[eajinabi]

I dont know if this has been brought up but in my opinion Calvins Borel ride cost him the win in the preakness.

at the stretch, borel should have given street sense a vigorous hand ride instead of whipping him constantly. He had a 2 length lead and yet he was still whipping the horse and that cuased street sense to lose intrest.

I know its a woulda-coulda-shoulda scenario but I know if it was Bailey, McCarron, Stevens, Pincay or Day riding that horse, Street Sense would have won. Its jockeys like these who know how to ride in big time races.

[outofthebox]

People just need to get over this. I wish every horse i've ever run could get the trip and ride that Calvin gave SS. SS got beat by a better horse on this particular day,,,lets lay this topic to rest....

[Jax Cajun]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

People just need to get over this. I wish every horse i've ever run could get the trip and ride that Calvin gave SS. SS got beat by a better horse on this particular day,,,lets lay this topic to rest....

Good point, it's all Monday morning QB. I've heard some angry people on Steve's show that sounded like SS cost them some $$, and of course they blame Borel. A jockey can go from hero to goat in a matter of seconds.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

I dont know if this has been brought up but in my opinion Calvins Borel ride cost him the win in the preakness.

at the stretch, borel should have given street sense a vigorous hand ride instead of whipping him constantly. He had a 2 length lead and yet he was still whipping the horse and that cuased street sense to lose intrest.

I know its a woulda-coulda-shoulda scenario but I know if it was Bailey, McCarron, Stevens, Pincay or Day riding that horse, Street Sense would have won. Its jockeys like these who know how to ride in big time races.

Curlin beat Street Sense that day....not CB.
But I will tell you one thing, I seriously doubt that Street Sense would have won the Derby had any of those jocks you mention been on his back that day. They were obviously great riders, but I doubt that any of them would have attempted the ride CB gave him in the Derby.

[JDank34]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't know if I could possibly disagree more. It is kind of humorous though that a mere 2 weeks later after one of, if not the best Derby rides, now Borel is the subject of ridicule. Borel is in a lose-lose situation here. If he gives a vigorous hand ride like you say, I'm sure people question why he wasn't whipping. I will say that you are the first I have heard to question his whipping. I saw nothing wrong at all with his ride.

He did look back for a split second, but it doesn't appear to me, at least, that it caused the horse any momentum. The horse was just outrun to the wire and it is what it is. Saying that the other jockeys would have won with the horse where he didn't is just ridiculous. The jockey's you mention are Hall of Famers no doubt, but Borel proved Derby Day that he can win a big race. The horse was beat a head, if he gets that head in front no one says a word. Just seems like a lot of sour grapes from people that needed Street Sense and are looking to blame someone.

well said

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't know if I could possibly disagree more. It is kind of humorous though that a mere 2 weeks later after one of, if not the best Derby rides, now Borel is the subject of ridicule. Borel is in a lose-lose situation here. If he gives a vigorous hand ride like you say, I'm sure people question why he wasn't whipping. I will say that you are the first I have heard to question his whipping. I saw nothing wrong at all with his ride.

He did look back for a split second, but it doesn't appear to me, at least, that it caused the horse any momentum. The horse was just outrun to the wire and it is what it is. Saying that the other jockeys would have won with the horse where he didn't is just ridiculous. The jockey's you mention are Hall of Famers no doubt, but Borel proved Derby Day that he can win a big race. The horse was beat a head, if he gets that head in front no one says a word. Just seems like a lot of sour grapes from people that needed Street Sense and are looking to blame someone.

well, obviously dominican proved himself a better horse, and now curlin has....

[MaTH716]

I really have no problem with the ride, and the fact that Curlin got SS at the wire. I think that they are both excellent horses and I hope they are around to run at four. It didn't cost me anything so it is not sour grapes. Although, I would have liked to see SS go to Belmont with a shot at the TC. I just wish that Calvin did not look back when he did. I think he had nothing to gain by getting a glimpse at that point. Especially knowing that the horse can get a little lazy in the stretch when he gets ahead. I think he looked because he was hoping he was clear so he could showboat at the wire like he did in the derby. I want to believe that the look did not cost him, but I just can't get away from it.

[Bobby Fischer]

Its a little crazy to think, but if some of us are right about the energy distribution and timing in a race (and our views may be way off as well!) , then a lot of these jockeys don't have a perfect sense of timing a pace. Even if they did some of the moves they make wouldn't be corrected in real time - an error usually only becomes obvious in hindsight.

Its all part of the game. Hopefully they demonstrate some level of consistency.

[Jax Cajun]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I really have no problem with the ride, and the fact that Curlin got SS at the wire. I think that they are both excellent horses and I hope they are around to run at four. It didn't cost me anything so it is not sour grapes. Although, I would have liked to see SS go to Belmont with a shot at the TC. I just wish that Calvin did not look back when he did. I think he had nothing to gain by getting a glimpse at that point. Especially knowing that the horse can get a little lazy in the stretch when he gets ahead. I think he looked because he was hoping he was clear so he could showboat at the wire like he did in the derby. I want to believe that the look did not cost him, but I just can't get away from it.

I seriously doubt that Calvin was looking to showboat. He felt Curlin coming and peeked back to see where he was. Calvin wasn't running so looking back does not deter the horse. The horse had already quit racing because he thought he'd won, according to Carl. Now you can think he is lying to everybody or believe your own interpretation.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Jax Cajun

I seriously doubt that Calvin was looking to showboat. He felt Curlin coming and peeked back to see where he was. Calvin wasn't running so looking back does not deter the horse. The horse had already quit racing because he thought he'd won, according to Carl. Now you can think he is lying to everybody or believe your own interpretation.

I just think that he had nothing to gain by looking back. If he felt Curlin coming, he should have tried to get a little more out of SS. I do not if it would have mattered, but you saw what he lost by.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I just think that he had nothing to gain by looking back. If he felt Curlin coming, he should have tried to get a little more out of SS. I do not if it would have mattered, but you saw what he lost by.

Looking back is not an issue. My issue is why he continued to whip the horse when having a two length lead. If he stayed off the whip, you have yourself a shot at The TC.