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06-19-2006, 11:19 AM
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Met Steve Crist yesterday
at Arlington. Dude is so comedy looking, he was signing his exoctic book or whatever, talked to him about Arlington (he doesn't follow them one bit)....
it is ridiculous what some people are paid to do in this world, it really is 
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06-19-2006, 11:26 AM
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06-19-2006, 11:29 AM
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ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that Steve Crist is paid, he's earned through his own pluck, initiative and force of will. Read his book "Betting on Myself", and you'll come away with a tremendous respect and appreciation for what he's accomplished in his life. (SIDEBAR: And everyone should read his weekend DRF piece on the laughable 'RFP' by the State of New York... 'BTW' pointed it out to me over the weekend, and it says everything that needs to be said. Also gives you an idea, if you have imagination, of what will transpire from here forward with NYRA...)
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06-19-2006, 11:30 AM
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How can a big name like this not know anything about Arlington. It might not be one of your Tier 1 courses, but it is a close second. If those guys get paid anything let me know, I am ready to bring you all insight and tidbits from Great Lakes Downs. I feel I am qualified, I spend alot of nights drinking with the top trainer!!!! LOL
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06-19-2006, 11:30 AM
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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06-19-2006, 11:31 AM
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Scav you are way off on this one, way off.
Crist knows this game, and served in NYRA managemnet for a while. But his immediate contributions to guys like you who love to cap are the innovations in the DRF that wouldn't be there without him. He started a rival to the DRF, the Racing Times, that eventually was bought out by DRF. From this paper came the idea to put Beyers in the Drf, and under Crist's guidance came things now taken for granted in there like mud and turf ratings, lifetime stats for horses on all surfaces, at specific tracks, and at specific distances. Also purchase prices of horses at auction, trainer and jockey stats, trainer switches noted, workouts given in a ranking order as to how many horses worked at that distance and how fast they were compared to others, and many more. Without Crist you would be reading the DRf in its archaic form without all the stats that you know have and all that info. Hes a horseplayer first and foremost, and has given his share back to the players with all the work he has done making the DRF the info filled publication that it is. Last edited by oracle80 : 06-19-2006 at 01:55 PM.
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06-19-2006, 11:36 AM
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I've read "betting on myself", gotta admit I like the guy. If you hadn't got a chance to read it, I reccomend it, puts the whole DRF world in a different light.
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06-19-2006, 11:39 AM
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I didn't mean it in a negative way, to get into this industry it takes some stones, aggressiveness, a couple risks and some luck.....he was a nice guy and he obviously has a clue. Hersh is another guy that is a good guy, I was talking with him in the press box yesterday, his handicapping is suspect but his writing is really good
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06-19-2006, 11:40 AM
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I can't read his article because I am not a paying member, but I think I have the DRF from the weekend in my car. As for his salary, I bet he makes well over $100k a year when you count everything. His salary from the DRF, his book and public appearances etc etc etc.
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06-19-2006, 11:45 AM
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I think his new book is really good, I am a little more than half way through it, but it's helpful. He states the obvious, but it's stuff I have missed. Like when spreading of p3's or p4's, we were giving equal weight to all of the winners, when that might not be the case, we think a longshot could win, but for the most part we thought the others had a better chance to win, so you press those.
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06-19-2006, 12:19 PM
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These guys are all parasites.Make money off of horseplayers(not for them.)
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06-19-2006, 12:28 PM
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Crist has fought harder for the horseplayer than probably anyone in the past 30 years. He stepped up to save the DRF when it was in trouble as well. The above is a horribly negative, unfair statement and totally baseless...
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06-19-2006, 12:34 PM
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Crist is a nice guy who is sharp as a tack. Every time I see him he goes out of his way to answer my stupid questions and he is very genuine, not a thing phony about him. Doesnt care what he looks like or what people think of him.
If you are to be harsh on anybody, please let it be Andy Beyer or Hank Goldberg.
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06-19-2006, 12:42 PM
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06-19-2006, 12:43 PM
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Scav's I caught the show that they did in the teletheatre before the races with Marcus and Crist. I had a different opinion on Crist's take on the Arlington card. He probably doesn't follow it on a daily basis but he obviously came prepared for the Sunday card. They sat and analyzed every stinking race in detail and a few times Marcus gave his own kudos to Steve for how spot on he was. We are fortunate to have Marcus Hersch for the daily DRF coverage in Illinois. He really is astute.
Steve Crist the same, lots of respect for the guy. He fights the battles for us and uses his position as a platform for bettering the sport. Whatever he writes I'm reading.
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06-19-2006, 12:46 PM
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Looks like a duck,walks like a duck,and probably is a duck.Hey ,if horseplayers are dumb enough to pay these parasites,then they deserve what they get. We got a huge difference of agreement on these guys. I consider them PRO PARASITES(one and all.)Obviously, many others don't mind blowing money each day on product to pay these guys. These guys are not new.There will always be guys trying to make money off of cappers.They are the Carlton Sheets of the horseracing world.Like him,they claim to make $$ from doing something,but in actuality they make money by selling books,tapes,and articles on "how to" do something.If they were so great at doing this "something,"then they would just get paid from doing that.They make money off of other handicappers.Do you dispute this?
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06-19-2006, 01:02 PM
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(Used with the hope of permission of Steve Crist and DRF...)
Bid process: A dead end? By STEVEN CRIST NEW YORK - If you've always had a hankering to operate horse racing in New York for the next 20 years, perhaps your time has come. Just follow these four easy steps: 1. Notify the Ad Hoc Committee on the Future of New York Racing by June 30 of your intention to bid for the New York Racing Association franchise, which expires in December 2007. 2. Point your Web browser to www.ny.gov/futureofracing/rfp.htm to download the 45 pages of instructions for submitting your proposal. 3. Spend thousands of hours, dollars, and trees hiring an army of lawyers and accountants to construct a detailed 20-year business plan covering everything from the number of claiming races you plan to run to how you will allocate box seats for the next two decades, under three to six different legislative scenarios, and file it by Aug. 15. 4. Consider the very strong possibility that you have just engaged in a massive waste of time, money, and effort, because the state legislature will adjourn for the year before the proposals are filed, and by the time they reconvene, New York will have a new governor. Any honest response to the Ad Hoc Committee's request for proposal (RFP), released this week after several meetings and public hearings over the last few months, would require thousands of pages of filings, and a breadth of planning it is unlikely any bidder has undertaken. It will certainly weed out anyone who is less than deadly serious about the undertaking. The question is how seriously anyone will take the process. Even if the Ad Hoc Committee designates a "winning" bidder by its suddenly announced deadline of Sept. 15, it is unclear what would happen next. For openers, if anyone except the New York Racing Association is "awarded" the franchise, the NYRA will be in court the next day claiming that it owns the tracks and the land, having paid property taxes on them for half a century. In addition, state laws would have to be rewritten to award the franchise to anyone but the NYRA, and the governor and legislature would have to approve it. The legislature is scheduled to call it a year this month, with no likelihood of returning to Albany until 2007, after the inauguration of Gov. George Pataki's successor - widely presumed to be Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, who is 50 points ahead of either of his two potential Republican rivals in the polls. Spitzer may well convene his own commission to issue a new RFP, grant a franchise to a reconstituted NYRA, or propose some entirely different resolution of the matter. The matter is further complicated by the necessity for every likely bidder to align itself with a deep-pocketed strategic partner, and some bidders say privately that those potential alliances are still in the exploratory stages. So some if not most proposals are likely to consist primarily of entirely fanciful financial projections based on hypothetical joint ventures as well as hypothetical legislative changes and government approval. The unrealistic and accelerated timetable for completing the bidding process is entirely a function of a Pataki committee's trying to resolve the matter before Pataki leaves office. Why else does a winner need to be announced a mere 30 days after proposals are hurriedly due, with no public comment or outside scrutiny of the bids, a full 15 months before the end of the NYRA's franchise? And how exactly will the next custodian of the sport be selected? According to the RFP, it will be decided by a formula: "For each proposal the Ad Hoc Committee has determined that a weighting of each category is appropriate prior to arriving at the final Total Score. . . . Specifically, the Ad Hoc Committee has determined to weigh responses for Bidder Proposal at fifty (50) percent, Bidder Integrity and Responsibility at twenty (20) percent, Bidder Financial Viability at ten (10) percent, Bidder Approach and Managerial Theory at ten (10) percent, Bidder Experience and Qualification at five (5) percent and Bidder Lease Payments at five (5) percent." Scoring systems aside, the RFP is actually an impressively comprehensive document. It asks for specific plans on nearly every human and equine welfare concern raised at its public hearings, and requires that bidders address every conceivable issue, from wagering integrity to takeout. If bidders had six months to respond to it, and any confidence that the process will actually lead to anything except a return to square one next year, it might be seen as an excellent step in the process. Instead, it could turn out to be a path to nowhere.
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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06-19-2006, 01:05 PM
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Just don't have the time right now to answer this in full.. But will hopefully get to it after the show tonight. Maybe Andy (Serling) is around and will see it and respond... My short answer is that Crist's body of work, and in fact entire career, belies that of someone looking to usurp the gullability of the get-rich-quick crowd. SB
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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