JAZIL....Most Overrated horse in the history of horse racing....

[POINTGIVEN1985]

I dont have any pp's in front of me so this is all off the top of my head....
here we go...Jazil beat a horrible group of horses to win the belmont, there might have been 2 other good horses in that whole field and they were bluegrass cat and high finance, where is bgc now, and for high finance there is a excuse everytime he runs for why he losses. Before the belmont he closed in the wood, on a very sloppy track, another horrible field, where is bob and john now, and i dont think anyone on here will argue that keyed entry is nothing more then a good sprinter, maybe miler. Back to the belmont now, on top of that being a bad field the race also fell apart, if i remember correctly bob and john set the pace in that race, and i also think the final time was very slow.


Onto the current, the connections of Jazil say he will use a Aqueduct allowance as a prep for a stakes race, either the donn or the gulfstream park handicap, they said many time that they would have ran jazil and invasor in the donn, and they said the comeback was what they wanted.
So according to the connections everything was going perfectly, so why is he running in another allowance race, a young grade 1 winner, who had this great prep at aqueduct, why not the donn or the gulfstream park handicap, i will tell you why, because the connections know this horse is nothing more then a decent closer who needs a perfect setup to win. I will also say this horse never wins a grade 1 or 2 again in his career, they might find a grade 3 with a bad field for him that he could possibly take down, but thats it.

Im going out there on this post im sure alot of you guys are going to say im crazy and not agree with me, but this is my opinion of the horse, and i just thought i'd share it with everyone. Also i dont know if i mentioned this but i think he has a 0 percent chance to win tommorw.

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

Onto the current, the connections of Jazil say he will use a Aqueduct allowance as a prep for a stakes race, either the donn or the gulfstream park handicap, they said many time that they would have ran jazil and invasor in the donn, and they said the comeback was what they wanted.
So according to the connections everything was going perfectly, so why is he running in another allowance race, a young grade 1 winner, who had this great prep at aqueduct, why not the donn or the gulfstream park handicap, i will tell you why, because the connections know this horse is nothing more then a decent closer who needs a perfect setup to win. I will also say this horse never wins a grade 1 or 2 again in his career, they might find a grade 3 with a bad field for him that he could possibly take down, but thats it.

Im going out there on this post im sure alot of you guys are going to say im crazy and not agree with me, but this is my opinion of the horse, and i just thought i'd share it with everyone. Also i dont know if i mentioned this but i think he has a 0 percent chance to win tommorw.

The GP Handicap is March 3rd. This race looks like a freshener for it.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

well the connections stated many times aqueduct, then stakes, not second at 1-5 at aqueduct and now another allowance because we know we cant win a stakes. I mean really if you really think about this race makes no since, he shouldn't need another race, and he has raced over this track already.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

well the connections stated many times aqueduct, then stakes, not second at 1-5 at aqueduct and now another allowance because we know we cant win a stakes. I mean really if you really think about this race makes no since, he shouldn't need another race, and he has raced over this track already.

"He shouldn't need another race"? What does that mean? You know more than the McLaughlin Brothers about what the horse "needs"?

A lot of bluster above to say little. Jazil is an especially neat horse that you cleary have some irrational distate for.. If he never wins any kind of race ever again, he is a classic winner and will likely be a sire of note with his exceptional pedigree.

He's come back from the same injury, a painful one at that, which ended Smarty Jones' career, and it's terrific to have him out running at 4.



About as nicely put together a horse as you'll see.. And has a great temperment as well..

[ateamstupid]

The hell are you doing up at 3:20 SLB..

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The hell are you doing up at 3:20 SLB..

The batlight was on.. an injustice had been done. Jazil was sullied. Had to respond...

[eajinabi]

Jazil is a deep deep closer type. His type dont win every time they set foot on track. One thing is for certain is that this horse is not a plodder who pass by tired rivals. Jazil has a mean turn of foot that is uncommonly seen day to day. I kind of like that he is getting one more race under him to prep for graded company. This horse will love going long in his next.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Kasept

"He shouldn't need another race"? What does that mean? You know more than the McLaughlin Brothers about what the horse "needs"?

A lot of bluster above to say little. Jazil is an especially neat horse that you cleary have some irrational distate for.. If he never wins any kind of race ever again, he is a classic winner and will likely be a sire of note with his exceptional pedigree.

He's come back from the same injury, a painful one at that, which ended Smarty Jones' career, and it's terrific to have him out running at 4.



About as nicely put together a horse as you'll see.. And has a great temperment as well..

Of course if he would win a race once in a while.....

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

I dont have any pp's in front of me so this is all off the top of my head....
here we go...Jazil beat a horrible group of horses to win the belmont, there might have been 2 other good horses in that whole field and they were bluegrass cat and high finance, where is bgc now, and for high finance there is a excuse everytime he runs for why he losses. Before the belmont he closed in the wood, on a very sloppy track, another horrible field, where is bob and john now, and i dont think anyone on here will argue that keyed entry is nothing more then a good sprinter, maybe miler. Back to the belmont now, on top of that being a bad field the race also fell apart, if i remember correctly bob and john set the pace in that race, and i also think the final time was very slow.


Onto the current, the connections of Jazil say he will use a Aqueduct allowance as a prep for a stakes race, either the donn or the gulfstream park handicap, they said many time that they would have ran jazil and invasor in the donn, and they said the comeback was what they wanted.
So according to the connections everything was going perfectly, so why is he running in another allowance race, a young grade 1 winner, who had this great prep at aqueduct, why not the donn or the gulfstream park handicap, i will tell you why, because the connections know this horse is nothing more then a decent closer who needs a perfect setup to win. I will also say this horse never wins a grade 1 or 2 again in his career, they might find a grade 3 with a bad field for him that he could possibly take down, but thats it.

Im going out there on this post im sure alot of you guys are going to say im crazy and not agree with me, but this is my opinion of the horse, and i just thought i'd share it with everyone. Also i dont know if i mentioned this but i think he has a 0 percent chance to win tommorw.

I doubt that anyone will call you crazy. Wrong, misinformed, excessive use of hyperbole; these will possibly be mentioned.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i dont know if i mentioned this but i think he has a 0 percent chance to win tommorw.

I think his chances of winning are slightly better than that.

[Gander]

While I dont like Jazil's chances at the win today, I would give him far better than zero chance at the win.

I dont really agree that he is overrated. I dont think hes a great horse by any means (and i may be way off for saying so) but I wouldnt call him overrated. I do agree he won the Belmont against one of the worst triple crown fields assembled in recent history, but I think most people also see that. Barbaro and Bernardini were clearly heads and shoulders above the rest of the 3 year olds and their not being in this race really took the excitement out of it. Bluegrass Cat was no world beater and he was the only other horse who really did any running in this strange race.

I think Jazil gets the respect he deserves but certainly not a ton more.

[NTamm1215]

The Belmont field in 2000 was infinitely worse than the Belmont in 2006. That slobberknocker won by Commendable was like a N1X Allowance race. I guess it had some similarities to the 2006 Belmont, but at least it didn't take Jazil an eternity to get around the Belmont oval like it did Commendable.

NT

[Gander]

I thought both fields were horribly weak for a Triple Crown race. I'll give Bluegrass Cat credit, he did run an awesome race in the haskell. I was blown away by that race and rank it 3rd behind the Derby and Preakness for the best performances by 3 year olds this year. But Todd Pletcher horses do that frequently, run races that absolutely wow you. Who knows what could have come of Bluegrass Cat had he stayed healthy? Still wouldnt consider him all that much off of one very good performance.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The Belmont field in 2000 was infinitely worse than the Belmont in 2006. That slobberknocker won by Commendable was like a N1X Allowance race. I guess it had some similarities to the 2006 Belmont, but at least it didn't take Jazil an eternity to get around the Belmont oval like it did Commendable.

NT

I think the field Afleet Alex defeated in his Belmont victory was less stellar as well.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I think the field Afleet Alex defeated in his Belmont victory was less stellar as well.

Jazil's time actually compares quite well with the times of the Belmonts from the past ten years. It was faster than Editor's Note, Touch Gold, Victory Gallop, Commendable, Sarava, Empire Maker, and Afleet Alex. It was right around the time for Birdstone and Lemon Drop Kid. The only one significantly faster in the prior ten years was Point Given. I'm not really sure where the whole idea that the race was so slow comes from. The Beyer figure came in low but it was just a made up figure anyways since most years that is the only race run at Belmont around two turns.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The Belmont field in 2000 was infinitely worse than the Belmont in 2006. That slobberknocker won by Commendable was like a N1X Allowance race. I guess it had some similarities to the 2006 Belmont, but at least it didn't take Jazil an eternity to get around the Belmont oval like it did Commendable.

NT

Guess who was eligible for a NW1X when they ran the Belmont last year? That's right, Jazil. I do agree the 2000 running was hideously bad but last years running was nothing to write home about.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by JJP

Guess who was eligible for a NW1X when they ran the Belmont last year? That's right, Jazil. I do agree the 2000 running was hideously bad but last years running was nothing to write home about.

JJP,

Multiple horses were eligible for N1X in the 2000 Belmont, including the favorite Aptitude. Toss in Wheelaway, Commendable, I think, and a few others. Unshaded wasn't because of the Lexington, Hugh Hefner wasn't because of a Cal-bred win, and I can't remember who else was in the field. I know I was six deep in the Pick 6 but I wouldn't have ever used Commendable.

NT

[boswd]

How is Jazil overrated? I have never read one article or read one post on any boards where people were overhyping or were claiming he is the second coming. He got proper accolades winning the Belmont nothing crazy. He was never ever mentioned in the same breathe as Barbaro or Bernardini for that matter. He has alway been regarding as a dangerous deep closer. Nothing more nothing less. So I don't get this whole he is the most overrated horse in history. I can think of a couple other ones that come to mind in that category, Fug Peg comes to mind and out of last years 3 yr old class Brother Derek was the most overrated horse by far. That horse has done nothing to live up to hype he had going into the Derby or any race after that for that matter. He's turning out to be a mule.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by boswd

How is Jazil overrated? I have never read one article or read one post on any boards where people were overhyping or were claiming he is the second coming. He got proper accolades winning the Belmont nothing crazy. He was never ever mentioned in the same breathe as Barbaro or Bernardini for that matter. He has alway been regarding as a dangerous deep closer. Nothing more nothing less. So I don't get this whole he is the most overrated horse in history. I can think of a couple other ones that come to mind in that category, Fug Peg comes to mind and out of last years 3 yr old class Brother Derek was the most overrated horse by far. That horse has done nothing to live up to hype he had going into the Derby or any race after that for that matter. He's turning out to be a mule.

Jazil was a bit overrated pre-derby, but he hasn't been since IMO. I've always like Steppenwolfer better (for a closer), but Jazil is a nice horse too.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Jazil was a bit overrated pre-derby, but he hasn't been since IMO. I've always like Steppenwolfer better (for a closer), but Jazil is a nice horse too.

I wouldn't say he was overrated going into the Derby, he was one of those horse where people pointed to when looking beyond Bro. Derek and SNS. The whole "what other horses have a legitment shot here today" catagory.