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Old 06-14-2006, 12:55 PM
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INGLEWOOD, Calif. - Hollywood Park's leading trainer, Doug O'Neill, had a starter test in excess of the permitted level of bicarbonates, or total carbon dioxide, at Hollywood last month, an infraction likely to result in a penalty from the California Horse Racing Board.
As a result of the test findings, O'Neill's runners will be confined to a prerace detention barn for 24 hours during a 30-day period from Wednesday through July 13. For a 15-day period beginning on July 14, O'Neill's stable will be subject to surveillance from the racing board.

A hearing with the racing board on the test findings will be conducted at a later date. O'Neill could face a fine or suspension.

The excess level of total carbon dioxide was found in a May 27 prerace blood test taken from Wisdom Cat, who finished last of eight at 48-1 in an allowance race that day. Wisdom Cat tested in excess of 37 millimoles per liter of blood, the permitted level. No specific test results were released.

O'Neill said he was informed of the test results on Saturday morning.

"I'm not happy with this at all," O'Neill said. Wisdom Cat "ran up the track. It's obvious to me that it can happen to any horse."

A high level of bicarbonates or carbon dioxide is attributed to the presence of alkalyzing agents, sometimes referred to as milkshakes, which are believed to give horses more stamina. Testing for excessive levels of carbon dioxide has been conducted at Southern California tracks since December 2004. The testing was administered by a consortium of racetracks and horsemen's organizations until October 2005, when the state racing board took over.

O'Neill described the test findings as "an embarrassment. The layperson thinks that Doug O'Neill is sticking a tube down their nose," he said, referring to one technique used to administer alkalyzing agents. "This was geared to stopping milkshaking horses, and none of our horses are milkshaked."

Although O'Neill expressed concern about how some horses would handle the change of scenery to a detention barn in the 24 hours before racing, he said the detention barn would not affect the number of starters from his stable, which has more than 100 horses.
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Old 06-14-2006, 01:03 PM
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INGLEWOOD, Calif. - Hollywood Park's leading trainer, Doug O'Neill, had a starter test in excess of the permitted level of bicarbonates, or total carbon dioxide, at Hollywood last month, an infraction likely to result in a penalty from the California Horse Racing Board.
As a result of the test findings, O'Neill's runners will be confined to a prerace detention barn for 24 hours during a 30-day period from Wednesday through July 13. For a 15-day period beginning on July 14, O'Neill's stable will be subject to surveillance from the racing board.

A hearing with the racing board on the test findings will be conducted at a later date. O'Neill could face a fine or suspension.

The excess level of total carbon dioxide was found in a May 27 prerace blood test taken from Wisdom Cat, who finished last of eight at 48-1 in an allowance race that day. Wisdom Cat tested in excess of 37 millimoles per liter of blood, the permitted level. No specific test results were released.

O'Neill said he was informed of the test results on Saturday morning.

"I'm not happy with this at all," O'Neill said. Wisdom Cat "ran up the track. It's obvious to me that it can happen to any horse."

A high level of bicarbonates or carbon dioxide is attributed to the presence of alkalyzing agents, sometimes referred to as milkshakes, which are believed to give horses more stamina. Testing for excessive levels of carbon dioxide has been conducted at Southern California tracks since December 2004. The testing was administered by a consortium of racetracks and horsemen's organizations until October 2005, when the state racing board took over.

O'Neill described the test findings as "an embarrassment. The layperson thinks that Doug O'Neill is sticking a tube down their nose," he said, referring to one technique used to administer alkalyzing agents. "This was geared to stopping milkshaking horses, and none of our horses are milkshaked."

Although O'Neill expressed concern about how some horses would handle the change of scenery to a detention barn in the 24 hours before racing, he said the detention barn would not affect the number of starters from his stable, which has more than 100 horses.
Not surprised...he is one helluva nice guy but after watching his stable over the past few years I think that its clear that he is one of a few out there on the west coast that may not always jusy use hay, oates and water...
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Old 06-14-2006, 01:12 PM
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Doug O'Neill will join us on "ATRAB" either tonight or tomorrow and address the situation publicly..
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Old 06-14-2006, 01:17 PM
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can anyone tell me if it is possible for a horse to exceed CO2 limits without a milkshake?
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Old 06-14-2006, 01:45 PM
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I saw an explanation somewhere once. Have to look for it.
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Old 06-14-2006, 01:51 PM
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Will he win at the same % from the detention barn? I say no.
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0 for 5 TODAY.Some of his horses ran 2nd or 3rd.They just seemed to be missing that extra little something in the stretch.
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can anyone tell me if it is possible for a horse to exceed CO2 limits without a milkshake?

Lets remember that one guy who admitted he did it.That guy with an English accent(who's wife died of breast cancer.)He trains Vicki's Honor.Not only did he admit to it,but he said that "he wasn't going to lie about it like the others had." So,don't buy their crap denials.
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Lets remember that one guy who admitted he did it.That guy with an English accent(who's wife died of breast cancer.)He trains Vicki's Honor.Not only did he admit to it,but he said that "he wasn't going to lie about it like the others had." So,don't buy their crap denials.
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can anyone tell me if it is possible for a horse to exceed CO2 limits without a milkshake?

By the way,they aren't saying he milkshaked.This is not a penalty for that.This is a penalty for having a horse test in excess of 37 millimoles of total carbon Dioxide per liter of blood, the permitted level. One indication of milkshaking is a level of CO2 higher than 37 mmoles/liter of blood. They don't have to prove he milkshaked.They simply have to test to see if his horses have high CO2 levels.It is against the rules to have high CO2 LEVELS(NO MATTER HOW THE LEVELS GET HIGH.)Horses don't naturally have levels in excess of 37 mmoles.Something was done to make it that high,and it needs to be stopped.Whatever they are doing(milkshaking,or a nutritional supplement or whatever was done,)they need to change their procedures in that barn.
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By the way,they aren't saying he milkshaked.This is not a penalty for that.This is a penalty for having a horse test in excess of 37 millimoles of total carbon Dioxide per liter of blood, the permitted level. One indication of milkshaking is a level of CO2 higher than 37 mmoles/liter of blood. They don't have to prove he milkshaked.They simply have to test to see if his horses have high CO2 levels.It is against the rules to have high CO2 LEVELS(NO MATTER HOW THE LEVELS GET HIGH.)Horses don't naturally have levels in excess of 37 mmoles.Something was done to make it that high,and it needs to be stopped.Whatever they are doing(milkshaking,or a nutritional supplement or whatever was done,)they need to change their procedures in that barn.
agreed. thanx
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I'm not questioning the test, or siding one way or the other. I'm just asking a theoretical question.

Yes,other supplements etc. can cause high C02 LEVELS.They are still guilty of having high CO2 LEVELS IN THIS HORSE.No matter how the CO2 levels get high,the trainer is guilty of his horse having a high CO2 level.If you don't want people thinking you milkshake,than you must not allow the horse to have high C02 LEVELS(that means high C02 levels no matter the source.)He can be totally innocent of milkshaking,but that(MILKSHAKING)is not what he is charged with.He is in trouble for high C02 LEVELS.
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Yes,other supplements etc. can cause high C02 LEVELS.They are still guilty of having high CO2 LEVELS IN THIS HORSE.No matter how the CO2 levels get high,the trainer is guilty of his horse having a high CO2 level.If you don't want people thinking you milkshake,than you must not allow the horse to have high C02 LEVELS(that means high C02 levels no matter the source.)He can be totally innocent of milkshaking,but that(MILKSHAKING)is not what he is charged with.He is in trouble for high C02 LEVELS.
my mistake--i just put a with b and got milkshake but i understand the difference. You make a good point.
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