I think the bias is still there at Aqu

#1 12-08-2006, 11:36 AM

The first was just completed and the winner did most of his running on the rail, the place horse did all of his running on the rail(while under siege the whole way), and the show horse sucked along behind on the rail.
Fact that the place horse was able to hold the place is scary, looked like he was gonna finish last on the turn and was under a hard hard drive at that point, "rerallied" and held the place.
I'm out, no way no how am I getting involved in this card yet. I think its the same **** on a different day.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #2 12-08-2006, 11:37 AM

dont think so..the 1 won off the lead..

blackthroatedwind · #3 12-08-2006, 11:43 AM

I would say it is inconclusive, but I tend to agree with Mike, and thought the rail definitely helped. The winner was steadied very hard on the backstretch and didn't angle wide until very late on the turn and it does seem as though the track held the second horse safe.

Now, I may need the bias to hold, as I am live in the double to the 1 and 5, and one of them should have the lead.

#4 12-08-2006, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

dont think so..the 1 won off the lead..

Hooves he did it off the lead but he was on the rail the whole way until he swung out. The 7 was under heavy artillery fire the whole way and still held the place. The rail still looks golden to me.
Most "speed" biases are really just rail biases.
I'll watch the next few, really love Crafty Cammack today and wanted to make a late pik-4 keying him as a single. But hes drawn outside and won't be right on the lead in all probablity.
I'm hoping its changed, but I think the rail is still golden. How did the 7 hold 2nd? I mean he was under hard drive on the turn and still held the place.
I hate those golden rail biases worse than anything, so I'm gonna watch and wait. Hoping you are correct as I love Cammack today amd wanna play the pik-4.

#5 12-08-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I would say it is inconclusive, but I tend to agree with Mike, and thought the rail definitely helped. The winner was steadied very hard on the backstretch and didn't angle wide until very late on the turn and it does seem as though the track held the second horse safe.

Now, I may need the bias to hold, as I am live in the double to the 1 and 5, and one of them should have the lead.

You deserve the medal of valor for being so brave as to bet the DD.
You deserve to win. Good luck!!!

hoovesupsideyourhead · #6 12-08-2006, 11:45 AM

good luck..

blackthroatedwind · #7 12-08-2006, 11:49 AM

Well, I thought the winner of the first could have been the speed and I clearly thought he was the best horse.

In the second I just tried to make the speed and bet against the silly odds on favorite. Smart Halory may win but I'll take my chances against and the 1 or 5 should be the speeds and they also both appear to have a smidgeon of upside.

#8 12-08-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well, I thought the winner of the first could have been the speed and I clearly thought he was the best horse.

In the second I just tried to make the speed and bet against the silly odds on favorite. Smart Halory may win but I'll take my chances against and the 1 or 5 should be the speeds and they also both appear to have a smidgeon of upside.

I like the logic on the bet. I singled Halory one day when she ran 2nd and she was just too horrible for words. She could win as you know, but at 4-5 there isn't any way you do anything but pass the race or bet against her.

#9 12-08-2006, 12:04 PM

A mile in 1:44:2?

hoovesupsideyourhead · #10 12-08-2006, 12:07 PM

still think that way..

#11 12-08-2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

still think that way..

I sure don't think the other way yet!! Leaders banged heads good and still ran 3-4.
Tell you what I did hear, and wish we had someone on laptop at Big A. Durkin said as they hit he backside that they were running into a strong wind.
Headwind on the backside will stop speed. tailwind carries it home.
Be nice if its gone. But I stil need to see more before I play the late pik-4.

Seattleallstar · #12 12-08-2006, 12:21 PM

there are no biases, its just a buzzword created by alarmists like Oracle

philcski · #13 12-08-2006, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

there are no biases, its just a buzzword created by alarmists like Oracle

Unplug the nintendo 64 for a while and walk outside. there's a brave new world out there.

paisjpq · #14 12-08-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

I sure don't think the other way yet!! Leaders banged heads good and still ran 3-4.
Tell you what I did hear, and wish we had someone on laptop at Big A. Durkin said as they hit he backside that they were running into a strong wind.
Headwind on the backside will stop speed. tailwind carries it home.Be nice if its gone. But I stil need to see more before I play the late pik-4.

http://www.weather.com/outlook/drivi...om=search_city
not sure which direction they are running on the backside but it IS pretty windy...gusts of 35mph

#15 12-08-2006, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Unplug the nintendo 64 for a while and walk outside. there's a brave new world out there.

More like turn off the online poker, you aint gonna win back that 11 grand you lost last week, and get your head out of your ass.

#16 12-08-2006, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

http://www.weather.com/outlook/drivi...om=search_city
not sure which direction they are running on the backside but it IS pretty windy...gusts of 35mph

Thanks Beth.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #17 12-08-2006, 12:28 PM

best horse won again..i think its fair..

philcski · #18 12-08-2006, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

http://www.weather.com/outlook/drivi...om=search_city
not sure which direction they are running on the backside but it IS pretty windy...gusts of 35mph

Northwest wind is a crosswind, they're running northeast up the backstretch...

#19 12-08-2006, 12:30 PM

Huge rail skimmer in the third, rides the rail and takes off like a jet.
I have firmly concluded that the rail is still the place to be, and that closing is possible due to the winds.
Check out the fractions in the race, 23:2, 47:4, 1:14:1
Like the last race the opening 1/4 was ok because they weren't into the wind yet.
Must be ferocious wind to slow them down that badly on the backside, then they crawl home due to the energy expense into the wind.
Its playable, all that matters is that you can close.

paisjpq · #20 12-08-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Northwest wind is a crosswind, they're running northeast up the backstretch...

thank you...I had no idea which way the track faces...shouldn't someone tell Durkin?