Rumsfeld Resigns.....

Good - I never did like this man.

[Downthestretch55]

Euro,
I put the link on the Military Editorial thread.

[kenny p]

Thank God.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Good - I never did like this man.

I always liked him but we obviously need a new approach in Iraq. If something is not working, you don't want to be stubborn and keep doing the same thing. You need to be open to trying a different approach. I am hopeful that Gates will have a fresh approach that is more effective than what we have been doing.

I still like Rumsfeld. He is an incredibly bright guy that has succeeded in everything he has done in his life. But as smart and successful as he has been, he was obviously was not getting the job done on Iraq. And it's not like he hasn't had enough time. He's had plenty of time and his approach does not seem to be working. I can't say for sure that a new approach will be any better but it's certainly worth a try.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I always liked him but we obviously need a new approach in Iraq. If something is not working, you don't want to be stubborn and keep doing the same thing. You need to be open to trying a different approach. I am hopeful that Gates will have a fresh approach that is more effective than what we have been doing.

I still like Rumsfeld. He is an incredibly bright guy that has succeeded in everything he has done in his life. But as smart and successful as he has been, he was obviously was not getting the job done on Iraq. And it's not like he hasn't had enough time. He's had plenty of time and his approach does not seem to be working. I can't say for sure that a new approach will be any better but it's certainly worth a try.

Rupert,
I'm not debating with you, just agreeing.
"We obviously need a new approach in Iraq". Correct. Perhaps the voters sent a message about this on Tuesday.
"You don't want to be stubborn and keep doing the same thing." My guess is that "stay the course" is no longer an intelligent option.
Rumsfeld...an incredibly bright guy? HMMM...I disagree.
"Successful as he has been"? Explain that one.
It's nice to see that your head isn't stuck in the quagmire.
The blood isn't on your hands, Rupert. My guess is that lots of soap and warm water won't be able to wash it off, but we'll see.
Gates still has to get through the new senate for approval.
We'll see on that one too.
Where's Harriet Miers when we really need her?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Rupert,
I'm not debating with you, just agreeing.
Rumsfeld...an incredibly bright guy? HMMM...I disagree.
"Successful as he has been"? Explain that one.
Gates still has to get through the new senate for approval.
We'll see on that one too.

Rumsfeld has been incredibly successful at everything he has ever done. He was brought in as the CEO at a couple of different companies that were struggling. He totally turned the companies around. I belive that one was General Insruments. He's an incredibly successful guy. I thinks he's worth over $100 million.

With regard to Gates, I can't imagine that he will have any problem being confirmed. He is very well respected by both parties. I believe he has worked for Presidents from both parties.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Rumsfeld has been incredibly successful at everything he has ever done. He was brought in as the CEO at a couple of different companies that were struggling. He totally turned the companies around. I belive that one was General Insruments. He's an incredibly successful guy. I thinks he's worth over $100 million.

With regard to Gates, I can't imagine that he will have any problem being confirmed. He is very well respected by both parties. I believe he has worked for Presidents from both parties.

He is not well respected by both parties. He has never worked for a Democrat either. He worked for Nixon and then was Ford's Chief of Staff. He worked for Reagan too. The good Bush 41, hates him. He is a neocon who helped found the neocon school or what they call the New American Century. He is an arrogant jerk and history will place him right next to McNamara.

How much of his $100 million is he donating to the kids who lost their limbs over there fighting a ridiculous war. Maybe if he wasn't so interested in transforming the army into a high tech one where big business can make more money, he would have put the needed soldiers on the ground. He should have stopped at Afghanistan, but we all know Rumsfeld was one of those guys who wanted to invade Iraq since Bush became President.

I agree with everything here. We need some sort of change. I cannot stand when Bush says stay the course. Stay the course is not working. But I could not stand Rumsfeld arrogance and the fact he wouldnt let the military do their job.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Revolution

He is not well respected by both parties. He has never worked for a Democrat either. He worked for Nixon and then was Ford's Chief of Staff. He worked for Reagan too. The good Bush 41, hates him. He is a neocon who helped found the neocon school or what they call the New American Century. He is an arrogant jerk and history will place him right next to McNamara.

How much of his $100 million is he donating to the kids who lost their limbs over there fighting a ridiculous war. Maybe if he wasn't so interested in transforming the army into a high tech one where big business can make more money, he would have put the needed soldiers on the ground. He should have stopped at Afghanistan, but we all know Rumsfeld was one of those guys who wanted to invade Iraq since Bush became President.

My second paragraph was about Gates, not Rumsfeld. I was saying that Gates has worked for Presidents from both parties and is well respected by both parties.

With regard to Rumsfeld, he certainly used to be respected by both parties. I think his confirmation as Sec of Defense was unanimous in the Senate.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I agree with everything here. We need some sort of change. I cannot stand when Bush says stay the course. Stay the course is not working. But I could not stand Rumsfeld arrogance and the fact he wouldnt let the military do their job.

I thought that was a quote from Bush Sr.

Stay the Course
Persion Gulf
Bye
Its Crazy

[Downthestretch55]

Speaking of quotes, this one makes a lot of sense...

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know." -Donald Rumsfeld

[Downthestretch55]

Another Rumsfeld quote......

Your performance depends on your people. Select the best, train them and back them. When errors occur, give sharper guidance. If errors persist or if the fit feels wrong, help them move on. The country cannot afford amateur hour in the White House. - Donald Rumsfeld

[Downthestretch55]

Molly says good bye......
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1116-26.htm