Gomez ??????????????????

What has happened to this guy ???
I did a thread on his accomplishments with the three year olds
a little while back, evidencing his prowess in turning them into winners, then he goes off to dubai and has turned to crap since his return. he was anextra incentive to pick a horse, now he is the extra incentive to pass on his horse.
what a terrible ride on Bobandjohn in the belmont.

Did he really think he could win the belmont
on the lead for 10f. what an idiot ???

[Scav]

Paul, you hit that pick four? you touted it???

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

What has happened to this guy ???
I did a thread on his accomplishments with the three year olds
a little while back, evidencing his prowess in turning them into winners, then he goes off to dubai and has turned to crap since his return. he was anextra incentive to pick a horse, now he is the extra incentive to pass on his horse.
what a terrible ride on Bobandjohn in the belmont.

Did he really think he could win the belmont
on the lead for 10f. what an idiot ???

I don't know if Gomez thought that or not. But I read a Baffert post-race quote where he said that he thought Bob and John's best chance to win the Belmont was to try to steal it on the lead. After reading that, I have to assume that Gomez was just trying to follow the trainer's plan.

--Dunbar

Originally Posted by Scav

Paul, you hit that pick four? you touted it???

yes i did scavs, it paid almost 4 to 1, its a great bet, will play it every chance i get, its number one with a bullet, like it better than the dime supers. its almost like pick 4 insurance, because your picks can win palce or show in the first three legs, go long in the fourth leg,
BAM...
your a winner !

Originally Posted by Dunbar

I don't know if Gomez thought that or not. But I read a Baffert post-race quote where he said that he thought Bob and John's best chance to win the Belmont was to try to steal it on the lead. After reading that, I have to assume that Gomez was just trying to follow the trainer's plan.

--Dunbar

thats the dumbest thing i have read on this meaasage board, try to steal the belmont on the lead with 30 MPH wind gusts.

stupidity...

[Scav]

Oh you hit the grand slam?

Everyone thought you hit the pick four that paid over $900

no ididn't play the national pick4, i would have lost.

it seesm everyone that bets on this board is always looking for the 4 digit payout.
try to string together four 250 payouts, that works too.

if i had tried the national pick4, i would have had to string 6 in the 11th, too much, the grand slam was 20 and an easy win.

had i palyed it for all the money i would have used in the national pick 4, i would have made 300, not just 95.

Paul you can't blame Gomez for trying to steal the race. I thought it was a great attempt. With High Finanace the only other speed in the race and his qulaity very much at question in stakes company, making the lead was a bright attempt. Just wasn't the horses day. But I gotta give Gomez a lot of credit for trying. He was aggressive but the fractions were sensible. I can't blame him for trying.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Paul you can't blame Gomez for trying to steal the race. I thought it was a great attempt. With High Finanace the only other speed in the race and his qulaity very much at question in stakes company, making the lead was a bright attempt. Just wasn't the horses day. But I gotta give Gomez a lot of credit for trying. He was aggressive but the fractions were sensible. I can't blame him for trying.

i agree 100 oracle. bob and johns only hope was to get the lead and try to steal it. that horse had no business being in the race anyway. everyone knows he couldnt go the distance. the fractions were modest and gomez did what he had to do.

[Buffymommy]

Baffert and Gomez were dufuses on Saturday. I was mad watching the entire race. WHY go back to a front running style when he had been doing something different in his last races? I was fuming mad the entire friggen race. I am mad at them still. They can go fly a kite for all I care. Maybe I will forgive them later, but right now, they are on my caca list.

you don't steal the belmont, its too long.
this was a stupid thing to do, by a jocket who , since going to NY isn't thinking right. Jeez, i wonder why ??
is there something he is drinking that may be causing his thinking, since he got to Ny ,to be off a bit, or smoking, or snorting ??
the only other horse that i think could have won this was bLUcat, had he DRAFTED jazil around the turn instead of bringing it to him in a head to head five furlongs out, he could have drafted him for 4f , poped out at the quarter pole and motored by, but no, he couldn't let jazil by and draft him for 4f and then go head to head, he had to engage and not just let him go by and draft, in the turn.
johnny V, you idiot .

don't these jockeys understand the physics of racing ??

Originally Posted by Secretariat

you don't steal the belmont, its too long.
this was a stupid thing to do, by a jocket who , since going to NY isn't thinking right. Jeez, i wonder why ??
is there something he is drinking that may be causing his thinking, since he got to Ny ,to be off a bit, or smoking, or snorting ??
the only other horse that i think could have won this was bLUcat, had he DRAFTED jazil around the turn instead of bringing it to him in a head to head five furlongs out, he could have drafted him for 4f , poped out at the quarter pole and motored by, but no, he couldn't let jazil by and draft him for 4f and then go head to head, he had to engage and not just let him go by and draft, in the turn.
johnny V, you idiot .

don't these jockeys understand the physics of racing ??

Now wait a minute, I will absolutely rant when he screws up but I think you guys are confusing horses who wernt good enough to win with bad rides.
Obviously he and Baffert looked at the way the track was playing and had discussed strategy. And you can steal the Belmont, just ask Pat Day and Commendable. I think they decided if they outbroke High Finance that the jock would take back because they wouldnt gun for fear that he couldnt go that far. Quite frankly I think it was a masterful plan. The horse just didn't have it, thats all. Two races earlier in the day went 1:08 and the &f race went in 1:21:1. That track was defnitely hopped up and going 1:12 in the Belmont on the lead on atrack that fast is not speeding. He gave his mount every chance to win, and its not like he got nailed on the line, he stopped on the turn.
I'm not a member of his fan club but I'm not irrational either. The guy gave his horse a good shot, and the horse just didn't cooperate.

[Buffymommy]

It didn't cost B&J the race, just don't think he should have went to the front. I think he would have lasted a bit longer if he hadn't gone to the front not that he would have won it. That is my opinion.

Baffert and Gomez are on the caca list until they do something nice for me. No changing my mind.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Buffymommy

It didn't cost B&J the race, just don't think he should have went to the front. I think he would have lasted a bit longer if he hadn't gone to the front not that he would have won it. That is my opinion.

Baffert and Gomez are on the caca list until they do something nice for me. No changing my mind.

The horse wouldn't have lasted either way, IMO. They took a legitimate shot and it just didn't work out.

he ran the exact same rce he ran in the wood, exactly the same,
and he came to stop two steps beyond 9f, just like the wood.
jazil also ran the exact same race he ran in the wood, exactly, and he started to run 10 yards before the 9f marker and continued on to 12f. they both ran the same races they ran in the wood, and i should have ssen that they would.
i am beginning to think that horses run 1 way and only 1 way.
they don't know how far the finish is when they start, they don't know if its 9, 10 or 12 f long. they run their race.
and in this set up the 12f was good for jazil and 9f is good for banjo. they only run 1 way, THIER race, their style, their length. it doesn't change. they do noy have the capacity to know the length of the race, they run each one identically. and not just these two horse. every horse has his own style,
and that style doesn't change from race to race, and if it fits with the races length that day, they win.

[Buffymommy]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

The horse wouldn't have lasted either way, IMO. They took a legitimate shot and it just didn't work out.

He may have lasted longer had they not went to the front. Just don't like the change they made. Made me angry. I am a woman, I am allowed to be irrational. Honestly, I didn't think B&J would win, but I thought he may have held on better than he did. I didn't like the front running choice. Honestly, I wanted to punch Bob Baffert in the nose after B&J went to the front.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Buffymommy

He may have lasted longer had they not went to the front. Just don't like the change they made. Made me angry. I am a woman, I am allowed to be irrational. Honestly, I didn't think B&J would win, but I thought he may have held on better than he did. I didn't like the front running choice. Honestly, I wanted to punch Bob Baffert in the nose after B&J went to the front.

B&J normally runs near the front either way and that was honestly his only chance of "running away with it." What I thought was hysterical was the fact that all of these High Finance supporters thought he was going to go wire to wire and he wasn't even leading most of the race before he was burnt out! LOL

[Rupert Pupkin]

I agree with several of the points of view here. I agree with Oracle that the horse did not run well and would not have won no matter how he was ridden. That being said, I think the horse went way too fast. I don't know if you can blame GG though. As other have said, it may have been Baffert's decision to go to the lead. I think it is a huge mistake to ever decide what you're going to do before the race. It's fine to have an idea of what you want to do and how you think the race will unfold. But I would never want a jockey or trainer to decide on a strategy and stick to it no matter what. It's one thing if you have a speed horse that cannot be rated. Then you may not have a choice. B&J does not fit in that category. He never goes to the lead.
If you have a horse that looks like he might be able to get a relatively easy lead, then here is what I would tell the jockey: "Try to break well and get him running early. If you can get a pretty easy lead in reasonable fractions, then do it. If others guys are gunning for the lead, then take back and let them have the lead."
I think it's important to let the jockey play things by ear depending on how the race unfolds. The races don't always unfold the way you plan. That is why it is important for the jockey to be flexible.
Anyway, if it was Gomez' decision to go to the lead in those fractions, then I think it was a very bad decision. However, we don't know if it was his decision. It may have been Baffert's decision. As early as the horse gave it up though, I don't think it would have mattered how the horse was ridden. The horse was not going to hit the board.