Keeneland today joke again

Everyone who won came from close to last, a few did come from dead last at the top of the lane.
And so much for the great value huh?
Apparently it was pretty obvious that any horse with speed and talent could be tossed after watching the first two weeks or so, and everyone has figured out its also like brown turf, hence nothing but chalk.
Its a joke.

I bet early the last two days, only to see the them go off turf.
Keeneland NEVER went off turf before under any conditions.
This is the part I like the least, esoecially since yesterday I had the opportunity to catch the feature on my pc. The damned race was still listed as turf. Then I watch them load and run on the poly. And both days the good-looking turfer chalk won anyway. Just watch them fan out at the head of the lane in yesterday's 9th.

[SentToStud]

Top Main Track Trainers @ Keeneland Fall Meet (Wins/Starts)

2004
Zito 11/27
Assmussen 10/46
Nafzger 7/32
Lukas 5/32
Arnold 4/10

2005
Zito 9/27
Assmussen 8/42
Howard 5/15
Holthus 5/24
Jones 5/24

2006 thru 10/19
Biancone 5/19
Romans 5/15
Kenneally 4/11
Pletcher 3/19
Catalano 3/5
Blasi 3/21
Simon 3/7
Oliver 3/5

Bit of a different look this year, especially at the top.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Top Main Track Trainers @ Keeneland Fall Meet (Wins/Starts)

2004
Zito 11/27
Assmussen 10/46
Nafzger 7/32
Lukas 5/32
Arnold 4/10

2005
Zito 9/27
Assmussen 8/42
Howard 5/15
Holthus 5/24
Jones 5/24

2006 thru 10/19
Biancone 5/19
Romans 5/15
Kenneally 4/11
Pletcher 3/19
Catalano 3/5
Blasi 3/21
Simon 3/7
Oliver 3/5

Bit of a different look this year, especially at the top.

Interesting.
Baincone has been training at Turfway. No?
What I find even more interesting is the 2004 and 2005 stats of Zito and Assmussen. Assmussen runs almost double the amount of horses than Zito and Zito still beats him in wins.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Top Main Track Trainers @ Keeneland Fall Meet (Wins/Starts)

2004
Zito 11/27
Assmussen 10/46
Nafzger 7/32
Lukas 5/32
Arnold 4/10

2005
Zito 9/27
Assmussen 8/42
Howard 5/15
Holthus 5/24
Jones 5/24

2006 thru 10/19
Biancone 5/19
Romans 5/15
Kenneally 4/11
Pletcher 3/19
Catalano 3/5
Blasi 3/21
Simon 3/7
Oliver 3/5

Bit of a different look this year, especially at the top.

Just watched Saturdays races from Keeneland. The Raven Run was baffling. The 3rd race was also amazing as Artful Launch came wider than I've ever seen a horse come on the main track to win.

I've not bet a single race on the main there and I sincerely ask if anyone is doing well and how you are doing it?

Also, with the slow early fractions, I've seen a lot of races where they're coming home in sprints with final quarter times run in 23 seconds. To me, they're running faster at the end of a lot of these sprints than in the opening quarter.... as a result, is there more risk for injury?

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Everyone who won came from close to last, a few did come from dead last at the top of the lane.
And so much for the great value huh?
Apparently it was pretty obvious that any horse with speed and talent could be tossed after watching the first two weeks or so, and everyone has figured out its also like brown turf, hence nothing but chalk.
Its a joke.

You posts are getting so old. Who cares what you think, especially if you aren't betting it. They have bigger fields, bigger handle, and no breakdowns. You talk about nothing but chalk, but the meet has been anything but chalky.

It sounds like if you can't figure it out, then it sucks. You complain about Gulfstream, you complain about Keeneland, I have heard you complain about California, but NYRA is always perfect. Hilarious. Why don't you just bet NYRA if you don't like anything else.

Originally Posted by Revolution

You posts are getting so old. Who cares what you think, especially if you aren't betting it. They have bigger fields, bigger handle, and no breakdowns. You talk about nothing but chalk, but the meet has been anything but chalky.

It sounds like if you can't figure it out, then it sucks. You complain about Gulfstream, you complain about Keeneland, I have heard you complain about California, but NYRA is always perfect. Hilarious. Why don't you just bet NYRA if you don't like anything else.

5 wire jobs since they opened, and you don't think thats a major flaw or issue? Its a joke.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by oracle80

5 wire jobs since they opened, and you don't think thats a major flaw or issue? Its a joke.

There used to be nothing but wire jobs. Wire jobs are boring anyway. It sounds like you can't figure out the poly.

[ELA]

I don't want to get into the middle of the polytrack arguement. It appears to be a very intense topic here. However, as far as this one element -- I am sure there are many who feel we've gone from one extreme to the other. Perhaps. There was one extreme before. Now there is the other. Things are not always as they appear. Before, the track was what the track was -- period. From talking to a variety of people, I get the impression that this is something of a "work in progress" type of thing.

Don't forget that aside from the polytrack, the turns were changed and other elements as well. The turns are now symmetrical. There is quite a bit at play here, with the track being a huge factor, I think there will be changes as time goes on. I think there is a learning curve here -- for handicappers, trainers, jocks, etc. Anomalies, extremes, etc. are distored early in the life cycle.

In addition, having not followed the meet religiously, I would be interested in analyzing the "speed" as it relates to splits, times, fractions. I think that will change over time and can also take away from the new bias that exists.

Eric

Originally Posted by Revolution

There used to be nothing but wire jobs. Wire jobs are boring anyway. It sounds like you can't figure out the poly.

Umm, I figured out by the 2nd day that you had to be 10 wide and nowhere near the lead, and it appears I had it called pretty well based on whats happened since.
Its more boring than the old bias was, the only difference was that at least talented horses won back then.
I look at the turf races there as the only races that are bettable.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Revolution

You posts are getting so old. Who cares what you think, especially if you aren't betting it. They have bigger fields, bigger handle, and no breakdowns. You talk about nothing but chalk, but the meet has been anything but chalky.

It sounds like if you can't figure it out, then it sucks. You complain about Gulfstream, you complain about Keeneland, I have heard you complain about California, but NYRA is always perfect. Hilarious. Why don't you just bet NYRA if you don't like anything else.

Huh?

I'm not overly concerned (read not at all) about who cares what I think.

Keeneland is my favorite racetrack. Spent many delightful days there. But I've laid off the main there because it's just pure gambling and I'll pass on that. I asked a simple question. That's all. You apparently have no answer. That's fine.

I'm not a big Cali guy, I just don't follow the circuit. Doesn't fit my schedule and other reasons.

I happen to be a fan of Gulfstream and I've noted here that I like the place a lot. On big days it's not a comfortable place and unless you're connected you won't get a decent chair in the place for under $75. But the track itself is beautiful and you can't beat the weather you'll get there. Got there at least two dozen times last year.

As far as chalk, I'm far from a chalk player. You can pull up my Derby post from the Thursdasy before the race or find the Tampa post where I took down 50% of the pool.

You're basically wrong about everything you said. That's ok. You and it don't really matter.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Revolution

You posts are getting so old. Who cares what you think, especially if you aren't betting it. They have bigger fields, bigger handle, and no breakdowns. You talk about nothing but chalk, but the meet has been anything but chalky.

It sounds like if you can't figure it out, then it sucks. You complain about Gulfstream, you complain about Keeneland, I have heard you complain about California, but NYRA is always perfect. Hilarious. Why don't you just bet NYRA if you don't like anything else.

Thats the pot calling the kettle black! Remember "nothing about the chalk today at Belmont?"
When's the next post of you announcing your leaving again?
I guess thats the only drama I like to hear.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by ELA

I don't want to get into the middle of the polytrack arguement. It appears to be a very intense topic here. However, as far as this one element -- I am sure there are many who feel we've gone from one extreme to the other. Perhaps. There was one extreme before. Now there is the other. Things are not always as they appear. Before, the track was what the track was -- period. From talking to a variety of people, I get the impression that this is something of a "work in progress" type of thing.

Don't forget that aside from the polytrack, the turns were changed and other elements as well. The turns are now symmetrical. There is quite a bit at play here, with the track being a huge factor, I think there will be changes as time goes on. I think there is a learning curve here -- for handicappers, trainers, jocks, etc. Anomalies, extremes, etc. are distored early in the life cycle.

In addition, having not followed the meet religiously, I would be interested in analyzing the "speed" as it relates to splits, times, fractions. I think that will change over time and can also take away from the new bias that exists.

Eric

ahhh a voice of reason. refreshing.

[pmayjr]

Oliver? As in Doug Oliver?