No Parx on TVG?

[Seattleallstar]

wtf gives here?? we get everything but

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

wtf gives here?? we get everything but

it's on hrtv

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

it's on hrtv

dont have hrtv and dont bet through them

[NoLuvForPletch]

uugh

[NTamm1215]

It's about par for a track that has oppressive takeout and no regard for racing to match it with limited signal distribution. Hey, at least they'll average about $1.70 in handle for every dollar paid in purses today.

[Calzone Lord]

The Parx dirt racing surface was yielding some crazy slow times starting with September 11th.

The variants for the dirt routes on certain days were like +11 and +13 -- where a track like Emerald Downs consistently has dirt route variants in the MINUS mid-to-high 20's.

Look at this chart:

http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20120911&RN=1

8f race of Sept 11th at Parx:

26.09 first quarter -- 51.89 half mile -- and the final quarter mile of this 8-furlong race was run in 26.22 ... it's like they were carrying buggy's around for the whole race.

These were older N4L $7,500 claiming females -- and two of them including the winner were claimed out of the race -- not exactly a bunch of PA Bred bums in a maiden claiming race.

Worst of all -- a 3/1 shot who was loose on the early lead in that race faded to finish 4th and the 2nd and 3rd place finishers came from last and next to last at odds of 7/2 and 9/1.

Look at Emerald Downs on September 9th -- $7,500 N2L (instead of N4L) for 3yo females (instead of 3yo and up females) -- it's obviously a clear-cut weaker class of race at the same distance of a mile ...

http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20120909&RN=2

And you see fractions posted of 22 3/5 and 45 3/5 by the obviously cheaper level variety of $7,500 females going a mile.

[Calzone Lord]

I haven't done figures for this potentially very important day yet ... but here's how the horse with the highest late pace figure on CJ's numbers did in every non 2yo maiden dirt race on the card Yesterday at Parx:


Race #1: Mad Magic had the fields outright highest late pace figure of 60. Finished 2nd at 26/1 odds and was beaten by just 1 and a quarter lengths.

Race #2: 2yo Maiden race

Race #3: Doublethestyle had the fields outright highest late pace figure of 66. Finished 2nd at 7/1 odds.

Race #4: Neon Tan had the fields outright highest late pace figure of 70. Finished 3rd beaten just 1 length at 12/1 odds.

Race #5: Crushing had the fields outright highest late pace figure of 69. Won at Even Money.

Race #6: TURF

Race #7: Hello Lover and Layers are tied with the fields highest late pace figure of 69. Hello Lover wins at odds of 9/5 and Layers finished 3rd at odds of 19/1.

Race #8: TURF

Race #9: Well Spelled and Private Zone are tied with the fields best late pace figure of 62. Well Spelled won at 14/1 odds and Private Zone finished 3rd at 32/1 odds.

Race #10: Dixie Strike had the fields best late pace figure of 71. She finished 3rd in the Cotillion at odds of 8/1. The slow pace set by such talented rivals probably didn't help her any.

Race #11: Stephanoatsee has the outright highest late pace number of 77. He finished 4th beaten less than 3 lengths at odds of 17/1. Meanwhile, Handsome Mike had the fields second best late pace of 74, the only other horse in the race with a late pace in the 70's, and he was on a clear lead coming out of the first turn. Won at 19/1 odds.

Race #12: Blue Geranium had the fields outright highest late pace figure of 51 and finished 2nd by a length at odds of 4/1.



Basically, the tiring nature of that dirt surface seemed to favor horses who had the best finishing ability from a figure standpoint.

[PatCummings]

Worth noting they had some crazy rain around Labor Day weekend and the track was a mess, leading to a few mid-card cancellations. Thinking they probably added product to the surface to deepen it

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I haven't done figures for this potentially very important day yet ... but here's how the horse with the highest late pace figure on CJ's numbers did in every non 2yo maiden dirt race on the card Yesterday at Parx:


Race #1: Mad Magic had the fields outright highest late pace figure of 60. Finished 2nd at 26/1 odds and was beaten by just 1 and a quarter lengths.

Race #2: 2yo Maiden race

Race #3: Doublethestyle had the fields outright highest late pace figure of 66. Finished 2nd at 7/1 odds.

Race #4: Neon Tan had the fields outright highest late pace figure of 70. Finished 3rd beaten just 1 length at 12/1 odds.

Race #5: Crushing had the fields outright highest late pace figure of 69. Won at Even Money.

Race #6: TURF

Race #7: Hello Lover and Layers are tied with the fields highest late pace figure of 69. Hello Lover wins at odds of 9/5 and Layers finished 3rd at odds of 19/1.

Race #8: TURF

Race #9: Well Spelled and Private Zone are tied with the fields best late pace figure of 62. Well Spelled won at 14/1 odds and Private Zone finished 3rd at 32/1 odds.

Race #10: Dixie Strike had the fields best late pace figure of 71. She finished 3rd in the Cotillion at odds of 8/1. The slow pace set by such talented rivals probably didn't help her any.

Race #11: Stephanoatsee has the outright highest late pace number of 77. He finished 4th beaten less than 3 lengths at odds of 17/1. Meanwhile, Handsome Mike had the fields second best late pace of 74, the only other horse in the race with a late pace in the 70's, and he was on a clear lead coming out of the first turn. Won at 19/1 odds.

Race #12: Blue Geranium had the fields outright highest late pace figure of 51 and finished 2nd by a length at odds of 4/1.



Basically, the tiring nature of that dirt surface seemed to favor horses who had the best finishing ability from a figure standpoint.

It's Dougie's birthday and he's gifting us with things to ponder!

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

It's Dougie's birthday and he's gifting us with things to ponder!

My little brother gave me an adderall pill the day before my birthday.

I stayed up for about 30 straight hours and probably could have authored a 800 page book in one day without any problem.

I can see where they say that stuff makes you focus and why college kids stay up and study on them.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

My little brother gave me an adderall pill the day before my birthday.

I stayed up for about 30 straight hours and probably could have authored a 800 page book in one day without any problem.

I can see where they say that stuff makes you focus and why college kids stay up and study on them.

Like you need assistance in not sleeping...

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Like you need assistance in not sleeping...

He gave me 2 more of those pills -- one for drive into New York City on Friday and one for the drive back.

My girlfriend can't get out of working this weekend.

It's a pretty safe bet I will probably be awake in NYC for 80 straight hours on those things.

Over/Under on the number of car accidents I'm involved in driving in that zoo of a city is 1.5

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

He gave me 2 more of those pills -- one for drive into New York City on Friday and one for the drive back.

My girlfriend can't get out of working this weekend.

It's a pretty safe bet I will probably be awake in NYC for 80 straight hours on those things.

Over/Under on the number of car accidents I'm involved in driving in that zoo of a city is 1.5

May I suggest a train, bus or camel?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

May I suggest a train, bus or camel?

I like adventure...

even though I've been told that I "need to get out of my nerd-hole and see the world more often"

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

My little brother gave me an adderall pill the day before my birthday.

I stayed up for about 30 straight hours and probably could have authored a 800 page book in one day without any problem.

I can see where they say that stuff makes you focus and why college kids stay up and study on them.

Took one for the first time on friday night and i wholeheartedly agree.

[docicu3]

8f race of Sept 11th at Parx:

26.09 first quarter -- 51.89 half mile -- and the final quarter mile of this 8-furlong race was run in 26.22 ... it's like they were carrying buggy's around for the whole race.



You never really know what monkey business goes on with these times at tracks you don't play all the time. I read your post this AM and was off today so I played around on circuits I have no business messing with, like Zia Park, where claimers 6250n2L run 6.5F's in 1:17.......?? Just a tad quick for this level don't you think regardless of any run up adjustment?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by docicu3

8f race of Sept 11th at Parx:

26.09 first quarter -- 51.89 half mile -- and the final quarter mile of this 8-furlong race was run in 26.22 ... it's like they were carrying buggy's around for the whole race.



You never really know what monkey business goes on with these times at tracks you don't play all the time. I read your post this AM and was off today so I played around on circuits I have no business messing with, like Zia Park, where claimers 6250n2L run 6.5F's in 1:17.......?? Just a tad quick for this level don't you think regardless of any run up adjustment?

Final times have very little to do with run ups. It is all about the surface.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

It's about par for a track that has oppressive takeout and no regard for racing to match it with limited signal distribution. Hey, at least they'll average about $1.70 in handle for every dollar paid in purses today.

With all respect to Sal Sinatra, who Steve has had on the program and who tries to do a good job with the track, the senior management at Parx puts the racing at "lower than whale excrement" importance.

"Parx" is advertised locally here in Philly as "So Vegas" and all that. They do not advertise the racing at all. If the racing is ever removed as a prerequisite for other casino gaming operations, the track will cease to exist.

They have made that abundantly clear. You would not know that Parx has a track at all from TV ads or billboards in Philly.

[Calzone Lord]

Same thing here.

They don't care about the racing and they don't exactly try to disguise it.

They send out limo's all over the place to pick people up and drive them here.

They go to insane lengths to get handle on table games, slot machines, and poker.

The best one is once every other month or so -- they kick all of the horse players out of the clubhouse and have something called "Asian Karaoke night" in the clubhouse.

The place is literally flooded with Asians -- they would come from hundreds of miles away and get bused in -- and they'd have a stage setup and absolutely horrible singing. It worked -- you'd see a lot of very well dressed Asians -- and later on you'd see them down at the Baccarat and Pai Gao tables with stacks of $100 and $500 chips.

They pay former World Series of Poker winner Chris Moneymaker fees to come here and play in the poker room. Moneymaker is here all the time.

Every week I get my mailbox flooded with free stuff. Free $25 bet each week on either slots or table games. Free dinners on certain days -- points and t-shirts if I show up on certain days.

It's crazy. They do everything short of calling you on the phone and begging you to come see them.

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Took one for the first time on friday night and i wholeheartedly agree.

Not a good thing to get hooked on, I have buddies who go on week long benders with no sleep, they then hibernate for 2 days and do it all over again. It drains all the water out of your system and they are so sleep deprived they start to lose their mind. Good way to lose weight as well or it allows you to be able to drink like a fish.